President Donald Trump's Final Days... - Page 220

**movieman88** · September 20th, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Meini Again

And FULL PRAISE for Christine...

A BRAVE WOMAN

No she is the polar opposite of brave, she could have told the full truth & all the required details. She did this purposefully in the most vague ass manner imaginable so that he can't defend himself in anyway beyond he said/she said.

She is demanding the FBI investigate knowing full well the FBI aren't fucking magic time travelers, it's not fucking possible to properly investigate a 35 year old crime when she refuses to divulge the date or location of.

And furthermore, if this incident did in fact take place, he would have been a minor and if he would have been charged with the incident at the time, he would have gone to Juvy & the records sealed, that was true even for murder committed by minors back then because society believed the acts of children aren't inherently going to be the defining traits of a man they could become.

They are actively incentivizing victims to not come forward at the time of their attack and instead play the long game to get true revenge and ruin their life they have built as a adult even tho they may be the polar opposite of the person they where when the incident happened.

**Meini Again** · September 21st, 2018, 12:16 AM

^ ^ ^ Total Rubbish imo ^ ^ ^

Manipulation of influential evidence in support of "the chosen one".

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"What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep," said Brett Kavanaugh during a 2015 speech at the Catholic University's Columbus School of Law in Washington DC. "That's been a good thing for all of us, I think."

This part of his videod speech was removed when it was circulated around the Pro-Trump outlets. Other Media outlets had the full video, and the amateur ommission became a focus of intent.

Christine Blasey-Ford..... WILL testify, but any day after the arbitarily called Monday 24th September.
Her family are under threat, guarded 'privately' at the moment, have been forced out of their home, by these threats and are secluded - hopefully safe.
Kavanaugh meanwhile spends the last 5 days in the West Wing of the WH,
phoning GOP Reps and GOP Senators.... pledging his "innocence"

He has publicly denied being at that party

- the date and place has NEVER been released..... minor point

He has been a groomed and 'entitled' Candidate for years.

Christine Blasey-Ford, is a VERY brave woman.
Her Family support her as do her friends/employer as she faces abuse, death threats and a future life now destroyed.

THROUGH BEING HONEST

Meanwhile, Brett sits safely in the White House dialling GOPers

Christine Blasey-Ford, is a VERY brave woman. She feared the worst.... and the GOP made it true.

**deepsepia** · September 21st, 2018, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Meini Again

Christine Blasey-Ford, is a VERY brave woman. She feared the worst.... and the GOP made it true.

I will say that "decades later accusations" without corroborating evidence makes me very uncomfortable.

What are we supposed to think about such allegations?

The accusation might be wholly true, wholly false, or some part true?

I oppose Kavanaugh for other reasons, but we have a bad history with these kinds of charges.

Sometimes an allegation will cause others to come forward -- as with Weinstein, and that's telling.

But if no one else comes forward, what are we to do with such allegations? They wouldn't amount even to a chargeable offense in a court, much less a conviction.

**scoundrel** · September 21st, 2018, 01:07 AM

Even Supreme Court justices are answerable to the law. It would be an extremely appropriate judgement on the Trump administration if his supreme court nominee were confirmed by the Republicans in the Senate only to end up being arrested, tried and convicted of rape afterwards. If I were a Republican senator I would be watching my own back on this one - I would not want it on my record that I helped to confirm a violent sex offender to the USSC.

The Senate is split 51-49. It would take 2 Republicans to vote against or 3 to find they have other business on the day and this nomination would not pass. If I were a Republican senator I would find a way to be diplomatically ill and avoid voting at all.

Its very hard luck if the nominee happens to be innocent. However we all know the rules. When you are accused of a sex offence you are guilty until proven innocent. I have never heard of a rapist pleading guilty unless the evidence is overwhelming; so the protestations of innocence are only what you would expect if the man were to be guilty as Hell. As Mandy Rice-Davies famously commented when told that John Profumo denied ever having met her -

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Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?

**Rogerbh** · September 21st, 2018, 01:12 AM

Gawd, thirty six years of no other claims - what a devious person to plan that to hide his evil impulses. Oh please, keep him off the bench.

LOL

**charliels531** · September 21st, 2018, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by deepsepia

I will say that "decades later accusations" without corroborating evidence makes me very uncomfortable.

What are we supposed to think about such allegations?

The accusation might be wholly true, wholly false, or some part true?

I oppose Kavanaugh for other reasons, but we have a bad history with these kinds of charges.

Sometimes an allegation will cause others to come forward -- as with Weinstein, and that's telling.

But if no one else comes forward, what are we to do with such allegations? They wouldn't amount even to a chargeable offense in a court, much less a conviction.

I notice that all of Kavanaugh's defenders start by assuming he did what he's accused of. They know him well.

**Arturo2nd** · September 21st, 2018, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by movieman88

No she is the polar opposite of brave, she could have told the full truth & all the required details. She did this purposefully in the most vague ass manner imaginable so that he can't defend himself in anyway beyond he said/she said.

She is demanding the FBI investigate knowing full well the FBI aren't fucking magic time travelers, it's not fucking possible to properly investigate a 35 year old crime when she refuses to divulge the date or location of.

And furthermore, if this incident did in fact take place, he would have been a minor and if he would have been charged with the incident at the time, he would have gone to Juvy & the records sealed, that was true even for murder committed by minors back then because society believed the acts of children aren't inherently going to be the defining traits of a man they could become.

They are actively incentivizing victims to not come forward at the time of their attack and instead play the long game to get true revenge and ruin their life they have built as a adult even tho they may be the polar opposite of the person they where when the incident happened.

Oh, this kind of assault happens all the time and the victims rarely report it. They might tell their mom, but it does no good. I have heard stories from women who were molested as six and nine year olds being told by their mothers that they needed to suck it up and keep their mouths shut. Can we really expect young girls to come forward in the absence of witnesses when parents and police will ask "Well, what did you do to provoke him?"

That being said, stumbling drunk teenagers will commit crimes they would never consider when sober or only half in the bag. Two guys as drunk as Kavanaugh and Judge have been reported to have been might very well have no memory at all of the incident.

This seems to me to be a case of both parties telling the truth about a 36 year old incident to the best of their ability. Who knows why a woman does anything? Christine Blasey Ford may just have wanted to be heard and put her trust in Dianne Feistein, a totally unscrupulous pol. From the statements of other women alumnae of her school her experience was far from unique. Perhaps, watching a man who had assaulted and scared the hell out of a teenage girl being lionized and elevated to the nation's highest court was more than she could suffer in silence.

Times are changing. Women are making very clear that they are not willing to be raped and slut shamed, molested and silenced, punished for rejecting unwanted sexual advances, and all kinds of other indignities foisted upon them. Men are going to have to negotiate a new social contract if they want to get laid.

**movieman88** · September 21st, 2018, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Meini Again

[B]He has publicly denied being at that party

- the date and place has NEVER been released..... minor point

He denied being at ANY party & before you roll your eyes at that, I have never been to any party in my life in high school or college, for some people it's just not their thing or maybe they have strict parents.

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Originally Posted by charliels531

I notice that all of Kavanaugh's defenders start by assuming he did what he's accused of. They know him well.

I didn't make said assumption, none of us have a clue if he is or not.
And I don't know anything about his personal life.

All I know about him is...
- This accusation.
- His positions are all fairly reasonable and semi centrist (my dad thinks he isn't conservative enough)
- He is very vague on RoevWade, he could swing in ether direction on it.
- He wrote a theorectial piece while Clinton is in office about Presidents being immune to being charged while still in office which the left have lost their minds over.

**vinceprince** · September 21st, 2018, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by deepsepia

But if no one else comes forward, what are we to do with such allegations? They wouldn't amount even to a chargeable offense in a court, much less a conviction.

But this is not a criminal court case requiring evidence beyond a reasonable doubt (near certainty - say 95%?). That's why it's difficult to get convictions along with the statute of limitations (in the US).

In all other areas of law evidence is only required on a balance of probabilities. (more than 50%)

I would say such a high profile judicial appointment for life should require an even greater level of certainty of integrity.
It's not like there's nobody else capable of doing it who doesn't have rape accusations hanging over them.

**Rogerbh** · September 21st, 2018, 08:15 AM

A 36 year ago groping accusation - with no subsequent claims - is translated into "rape accusations" - Al Franken makes a lewd joke and hugs women around the waist and he has to resign - ?

If this were in a book, I wouldn't read any farther as it is asinine - but it is what is happening now.

No hetero man will be able to apply for a job under these standards.

This is laughably stupid.

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Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,915 Thanks: 50,529 Thanked 91,204 Times in 10,754 Posts	Gawd, thirty six years of no other claims - what a devious person to plan that to hide his evil impulses. Oh please, keep him off the bench. LOL

September 21st, 2018, 08:15 AM	#2200
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,915 Thanks: 50,529 Thanked 91,204 Times in 10,754 Posts	A 36 year ago groping accusation - with no subsequent claims - is translated into "rape accusations" - Al Franken makes a lewd joke and hugs women around the waist and he has to resign - ? If this were in a book, I wouldn't read any farther as it is asinine - but it is what is happening now. No hetero man will be able to apply for a job under these standards. This is laughably stupid.