Is this the beginning of the end of Downloads????

**berigan** · July 17th, 2010, 05:36 PM

At least here in the U.S.?????
Sorry if this has already been posted somewheres....
http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-authorit...-blogs-100716/

**snowy25** · July 17th, 2010, 06:20 PM

I don't believe so. I would guess that a large proportion of those blogs were not even anything to do with file sharing and copyright infringement. All this means is that those that do set up blogs and sites to download from will go at it even more to get back at the authorities for killing of legit blogs that people worked hard to set up.

Every time they shut something down two pop up to repalce it. They wont stop file sharing and people downloading stuff for free. Even Pink Floyd's ex manager has said its a waste of time and others are joining him in that view. Here in the UK some ISPs are claiming that a recent implemented law, the Digital Rights Act, which cuts people off and blocks sites, is illegal and will be overturned. Sooner or later movie, music, porn and all the others that complain about file sharing will give up, or at least stop the active hunting of file sharers, because there are far more people willing to share and create sites to share with than there are lawyers, govt officials and greedy money men.

**horatio** · July 17th, 2010, 09:03 PM

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-a...-by-us-100707/

In the 70's young people protested against US Imperialism. If this is the thin end of the wedge , 40 years on they'll be protesting against Hollywood Imperialism.

Those of us who've been led to believe that nobody owns the Internet may be wrong. If all internet Domain names have to be registered in the US , and the US can shut down any Domain name it likes , then the US Government owns the Internet.

**chupachups** · July 18th, 2010, 02:35 AM

"looking at caches it was full of RS/MU links"

Hmmm, so the US govt went for a 3rd party blogging site to prevent access to the links being posted for MU and RS ?

Seems clear to me that they had a big fat fail when it comes to getting MU and RS to tow the line and thus had to resort to taking down the messenger instead

Sounds like they are going to drive such blogging sites offshore and into the arms of the countries which legally host RS and MU services, countries where US law has little or no influence

With this takedown, and the google privacy crap, methinks the likely outcome is that people will be less likely to store important information on sites which they have little or no control. Publishing on multiple sites and keeping personal backups is going to be the future

On one of the other sites I frequent, I see posters having backup links for rapidshare, megaupload, and ******* etc

So, I think the scene will adapt to evade the US's influence

mynxfan · July 18th, 2010, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berigan

At least here in the U.S.?????
Sorry if this has already been posted somewheres....
http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-authorit...-blogs-100716/

This is pretty serious. President Obama has obviously decided to stop people from sharing files... and as a bonus he can shut down blogs that write about politics. This will effect free speech in the whole world (ie not only americans used to blog at wordpress).

**Dekoda** · July 19th, 2010, 08:46 AM

What needs to be done is that Americans need to petition their representatives to repeal the DMCA. The DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) was brought about by two congressmen who were bribed by the recording industry to place this DMCA bill into a larger bill that was before congress. Most congressmen didn't know about this inclusion, so they voted for the main bill, and by doing so, they also voted for the DMCA.

The DMCA is a joke, and the citizens of the US need to stop the recording industry from using it as a weapon against the average citizen. I mean, when the recording industry uses this law to sue a 12 year old girl, then something needs to be done to stop them. The a$$holes that are behind the lawsuits are just greedy ba$tard$ that want to make as much money as they can by suing people.

The DMCA actually goes against a law that allows people to make copies of their existing digital recordings. I wish I had the money to sue the recording industry to allow "fair use" of recordings that I already own, and that have been allowed by the government for decades.

Think about it.....the recording industry says that it's illegal for you to make a copy of a DVD movie, yet they say that it's okay to make a recording of a movie that is shown on HBO or any of the cable TV channels. What's the difference? I have a VCR/DVD recorder hooked to my TV. This is a Panasonic recorder that will record on VCR tapes, as well as DVDs. If I record a movie onto a DVD that is on HBO, I end up with a perfect recording of that movie. That is legal. If I rent the movie from Blockbuster and I make a copy of it, that's illegal, yet the end result is that I have a copy of the movie. If I mixed up the two copies, there is no way to tell which one is illegal, so what's the difference? None, but the recording industry will try to sue you if you made a copy from a rented DVD. What a crock!

The recording industry has gotten out of hand here, and they need to be put in their place. They want to have the right to overcharge you for their products by price fixing (which is supposed to be illegal), but they don't want you to be able to cheat them by getting their products for a cheaper price. When they charge you the same price ($18) for a movie that cost $200 million to produce, (like Pirates of the Caribbean), as they'd charge you for a movie that cost $7 million to produce (like Open Water), that is price fixing, and they should be fined by the government. Of course that will never happen since the recording industry bribes the right politicians to prevent that. (over here, the politicians call it lobbying, but we all know it's really bribery.)

Aubrey · July 19th, 2010, 04:54 PM

Quote:

If I record a movie onto a DVD that is on HBO, I end up with a perfect recording of that movie.

Is that strictly legal, though? In the UK it used to be that you were only supposed to record to time-shift - not that anyone took any notice. There was talk of changing the law to allow recording off the tv for home use, but I don't know if it happened.

I know the difference between a film recorded off the TV and one off a DVD - the one off a DVD will have copyright notices at the start - at least, I've never found a way to get rid of those things.

legman7 · July 20th, 2010, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynxfan

This is pretty serious. President Obama has obviously decided to stop people from sharing files... and as a bonus he can shut down blogs that write about politics. This will effect free speech in the whole world (ie not only americans used to blog at wordpress).

Really? So President Obama got up one morning and focused his energy on blogs that enable file sharing" Thats really silly. Can't anything happen anywhere in the US without someone trying to pin this directky on the President? And if the Gov shut down every tea party/kppk right blog there would still be the ultimate purveyor of right wing drivel...Fox News.

Please... free speech has no worries

mynxfan · July 20th, 2010, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legman7

Really? So President Obama got up one morning and focused his energy on blogs that enable file Thats really silly. Can't anything happen anywhere in the US without someone trying to pin this directky on the President? And if the Gov shut down every tea party/kppk right blog there would still be the ultimate purveyor of right wing drivel...Fox News.

Please... free speech has no worries

Sorry if my opinion did hurt your feelings. Lets say the Obama Administration instead of President Obama. His personal responsibility as a president is not the issue here (I dont think the Bush administration would have acted different). As I understand the article around 73000 blogs were shut down. Content did not matter, meaning not only right wing blogs were closed, all were closed. If this kind of methods will be used by authorities, freedom of expression is most certainly in great danger.

**chupachups** · July 20th, 2010, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynxfan

Sorry if my opinion did hurt your feelings. Lets say the Obama Administration instead of President Obama. His personal responsibility as a president is not the issue here (I dont think the Bush administration would have acted different). As I understand the article around 73000 blogs were shut down. Content did not matter, meaning not only right wing blogs were closed, all were closed. If this kind of methods will be used by authorities, freedom of expression is most certainly in great danger.

I thoroughly agree with you regarding the threat to free speech

Since 9/11, I and many others have noticed a slow creeping of draconian measures in the interests of "freedom", but the effects are less about freedom and more about control and specifically the control of freedom of expression

The famous expression "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is utter hogwash. It should really have been "those that crave power will do everything they can to corrupt our way of life, for their own ends"

In the UK, anti-terrorist legislation now being used by local councils to spy on people's rubbish bins, what a mockery of democracy and the "free world"

July 17th, 2010, 05:36 PM	#1
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July 17th, 2010, 06:20 PM	#2
snowy25 Vintage Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,274 Thanks: 6,664 Thanked 23,144 Times in 2,260 Posts	I don't believe so. I would guess that a large proportion of those blogs were not even anything to do with file sharing and copyright infringement. All this means is that those that do set up blogs and sites to download from will go at it even more to get back at the authorities for killing of legit blogs that people worked hard to set up. Every time they shut something down two pop up to repalce it. They wont stop file sharing and people downloading stuff for free. Even Pink Floyd's ex manager has said its a waste of time and others are joining him in that view. Here in the UK some ISPs are claiming that a recent implemented law, the Digital Rights Act, which cuts people off and blocks sites, is illegal and will be overturned. Sooner or later movie, music, porn and all the others that complain about file sharing will give up, or at least stop the active hunting of file sharers, because there are far more people willing to share and create sites to share with than there are lawyers, govt officials and greedy money men.

July 17th, 2010, 09:03 PM	#3
horatio Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,840 Thanks: 2,185 Thanked 81,140 Times in 1,830 Posts	http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-a...-by-us-100707/ In the 70's young people protested against US Imperialism. If this is the thin end of the wedge , 40 years on they'll be protesting against Hollywood Imperialism. Those of us who've been led to believe that nobody owns the Internet may be wrong. If all internet Domain names have to be registered in the US , and the US can shut down any Domain name it likes , then the US Government owns the Internet.

July 18th, 2010, 02:35 AM	#4
chupachups Vintage Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,056 Thanks: 13,387 Thanked 6,316 Times in 1,013 Posts	"looking at caches it was full of RS/MU links" Hmmm, so the US govt went for a 3rd party blogging site to prevent access to the links being posted for MU and RS ? Seems clear to me that they had a big fat fail when it comes to getting MU and RS to tow the line and thus had to resort to taking down the messenger instead Sounds like they are going to drive such blogging sites offshore and into the arms of the countries which legally host RS and MU services, countries where US law has little or no influence With this takedown, and the google privacy crap, methinks the likely outcome is that people will be less likely to store important information on sites which they have little or no control. Publishing on multiple sites and keeping personal backups is going to be the future On one of the other sites I frequent, I see posters having backup links for rapidshare, megaupload, and ******* etc So, I think the scene will adapt to evade the US's influence

July 19th, 2010, 08:46 AM	#6
Dekoda Vintage Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 823 Thanks: 20 Thanked 24,261 Times in 822 Posts	What needs to be done is that Americans need to petition their representatives to repeal the DMCA. The DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) was brought about by two congressmen who were bribed by the recording industry to place this DMCA bill into a larger bill that was before congress. Most congressmen didn't know about this inclusion, so they voted for the main bill, and by doing so, they also voted for the DMCA. The DMCA is a joke, and the citizens of the US need to stop the recording industry from using it as a weapon against the average citizen. I mean, when the recording industry uses this law to sue a 12 year old girl, then something needs to be done to stop them. The a$$holes that are behind the lawsuits are just greedy ba$tard$ that want to make as much money as they can by suing people. The DMCA actually goes against a law that allows people to make copies of their existing digital recordings. I wish I had the money to sue the recording industry to allow "fair use" of recordings that I already own, and that have been allowed by the government for decades. Think about it.....the recording industry says that it's illegal for you to make a copy of a DVD movie, yet they say that it's okay to make a recording of a movie that is shown on HBO or any of the cable TV channels. What's the difference? I have a VCR/DVD recorder hooked to my TV. This is a Panasonic recorder that will record on VCR tapes, as well as DVDs. If I record a movie onto a DVD that is on HBO, I end up with a perfect recording of that movie. That is legal. If I rent the movie from Blockbuster and I make a copy of it, that's illegal, yet the end result is that I have a copy of the movie. If I mixed up the two copies, there is no way to tell which one is illegal, so what's the difference? None, but the recording industry will try to sue you if you made a copy from a rented DVD. What a crock! The recording industry has gotten out of hand here, and they need to be put in their place. They want to have the right to overcharge you for their products by price fixing (which is supposed to be illegal), but they don't want you to be able to cheat them by getting their products for a cheaper price. When they charge you the same price ($18) for a movie that cost $200 million to produce, (like Pirates of the Caribbean), as they'd charge you for a movie that cost $7 million to produce (like Open Water), that is price fixing, and they should be fined by the government. Of course that will never happen since the recording industry bribes the right politicians to prevent that. (over here, the politicians call it lobbying, but we all know it's really bribery.)