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**Greenman** · January 13th, 2019, 05:28 PM

A very good documentary - Raymond Briggs-Snowmen, Bogeymen and Milkmen' creator of Father Christmas, Fungus the Bogeyman and of course The Snowman/Snowdog. It is one of those programmes that shows you the man behind the most loved children's books and later the films made. It also gives you some insight into his parents(which he wrote a tribute to in Ethel and Ernest) and how he copes with life today. It also has some surprises which you may not know about(I certainly didn't) and you also get some celebrity fans talking about him as well. Check it out, I think it is still on BBC iplayer. If it doesn't leave you with a lump in your throat, you're probably made of stone!

**Sir Honkers** · January 13th, 2019, 08:24 PM

Started watching Humans. I should have got into this ages ago.

**KissArmy** · January 14th, 2019, 02:10 PM

Watched Dirty John on American TV last night. A scary, true story of a handsome but absolute psychopath who would get woman after woman to fall for him - and then turn their lives into a living hell. He could read women perfectly, told them exactly what they wanted to hear, and then slowly turned the relationship abusive. The women all ignored multiple red flags (like catching him in a lie) that should have told them what he really was.

The daughter of his last woman victim killed him in self-defense when he tried to stab her to death. Murdering his final victim's daughter was his final, desperate attempt to intimidate the girl's mother into staying with him. A very well-done TV show about a bastard who had it coming- and you're frustrated that it took so long.

**Sir Honkers** · January 15th, 2019, 09:17 AM

Runaways season two. It's really got me hooked...but WTF?...a secret underground mansion!

**Oh hi Mark!** · January 15th, 2019, 03:51 PM

I just finished the last episode in the Surviving R. Kelly docuseries. Man, that was quite the experience. 5 of the episodes are around 45 minutes long, while the last one is barely an hour long, so this wasn't something I could easily binge watch. I think doing so would've made the day(s) sour, because each episode had a heavy amount of dread. It does a really good job of getting the point across that R. Kelly is a sexual predator. Before the documentary, all I knew was the sextape thing, but mostly through the satiric lens of The Boondocks. They did an episode about R. Kelly's sextape, and a trial that was held, but it turned out that he didn't go to trial until 2008, this episode was a couple years before, the incident took place in 2000, he was arrested in 2002. The gap in time is crazy and they explained why.

I haven't watched a lot of documentaries, the topic would have to interest me, and would definitely have to touch on pop culture. I won't see a historical documentary on World War 2, for example. Scientology, Going Clear? Hell yeah. A lot of new information to me, I never bothered looking up R. Kelly, I didn't have much of a connection to his content for over a decade. If I had good internet back when I was all over his Trapped in the Closet series (which is wild), I would have Googled him in a heartbeat, find out about his "alleged" sins and then tune him out. Also, Space Jam was a childhood movie, I still love it, and his song "I Believe I Can Fly" is just iconic, and it was made for the movie and has become a motivational anthem. All the more sad that the guy is actually a monster. I didn't take the pee tape seriously, as I should have, I thought it was one incident, crazy, gross, but that's it. Sometime later I heard about the Aaliyah relationship, even further back into the past, so I filed that away. The sex cult stuff over the last few years, that's when I got the impression that this man is creepy, sick, and this documentary just enhanced that opinion in a way I did not expect at all. What I thought I knew was just the surface.

Though I'm not well-versed in documentaries, I was quick to pick up on certain cues and baiting they would do on a technical standpoint. Things to make it feel like a dramatization, footage of R. Kelly flavored with intense score music. That kind of content floods the senses to make it more obvious that the guy is dangerous, some cuts and shots of the "survivors," as they labeled them, do the job of convincing me that R. Kelly has damaged them. Given the subject matter, these little tricks and tactics are not bad here, they just accentuate things, because a viewer may not get the premium experience if it was just talking heads. The most tense parts came in the later episodes, one mother was filmed trying to make contact with her daughter, physically, something that had not been done for over a year. You see this girl, Dominique Gardener, pictures of her looking like a normal black woman, and then there's images of her going through a total transformation, brought on my R. Kelly. This transformation to a very masculine appearance, the hat, the short haircuit, male clothes, lots of tattoos, she looked completely different. For me I could tell it was her by the ears, random thing I paid attention to. That situation was one of a few that had good endings, but the movie is filled with the gloom and doom, for good reason. That was episode 5, episode 6 showed a family unable to have that same positive ending, and they haven't seen their daughter for 3 years, and in the timeline of all this, it takes place right after Dominique Gardener and her mom reunite.

Lots of detail, first episode talked about R. Kelly growing up, the fact he was a victim of pedophilia from certain people (there's no details about it, other than it's someone in the family, and/or someone in his childhood neighborhood). They talked about his rise in the music industry, the Aaliyah situation made up the first episode. The sex tape, the trial, the backlash he got, and the overwhelming support he got that simply overshadowed the negative. Then you see it flipping, and now I don't think anyone supports the man unless they are a paid employee of his, or they are stupid (French Montana, he apologized, but bitch is stupid).

If R. Kelly getting his world crumbled interests you, this is the best thing to consume for that. Also in general, a sexual assaulter, a guy who has indulged in statuotory rape, kidnapping, domestic abuse (his ex-wife is prominently featured in the first half of the docuseries), all these things that make up a villain of the Me Too and Time's Up movements, seeing that kind of person being taken down, this is the docuseries to watch. I admit it's suspect that R. Kelly is getting targeted when white abusers are roaming about, fighting it in legal battles (Weinstein and Spacey), while a black counterpart is more likely to get a prison sentence (Cosby). It's also suspect that Lifetime, of all channels, took this on, and not BET, a black people entertaintment channel. They did go into R. Kelly being defended by the black community, how black girls are the most disrespected demographic in the USA (an arguable opinion), and media outlets seeing money in backing R. Kelly and sticking with him. That's changing, and Lifetime took the jump, so despite it being a bit weird, suspect, it's still commendable.

Not to just thank Lifetime, but the lead producer of this, dream hampton (no capitalization is her M.O. by the way). As a black woman, she took charge in making this the biggest retaliation from black women to someone in media form, in quite a long time, perhaps of all time. It's satisfying, and unique in US media. R. Kelly wants to fight this in court, but I have a feeling he won't have the money to back this. His cancellation is underway following the documentary, collaborations being pulled, his music being pulled from streaming platforms, RCA/Sony finally backing off and no longer supporting his future projects and stuff. 2018 was the end of Cosby, 2019 is going to be the end of R. Kelly, and please be the end of Weinstein and Spacey too, the more of these guys are in prison, the better.

**Greenman** · January 15th, 2019, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by loosegoose

Started watching Humans. I should have got into this ages ago.

Yes it was very good and of course worth watching for the gorgeous Gemma Chan and Emily Berrington.

FlashRetro · January 15th, 2019, 06:20 PM

I recently found a free streaming service on-line that has lots-o-stuff with no ads and started to watch Boardwalk Empire. I like it. It has HBO's 3 winning ingredients nudity, profanity and violence. You can't go wrong.

**Reclaimedwg** · January 16th, 2019, 02:16 AM

Just saw this on TV when I was flipping through the channels.

https://tvline.com/2019/01/15/roswel...ned-cw-photos/

Didn't even know they rebooted it.

The original 1999 series was great and it was cancelled after 3 season.

Can't believe Shiri Appleby who played Liz in it is 40 years old now.

**anothercustom** · January 17th, 2019, 08:31 AM

Waco: Madman or Messiah

Perhaps not as good as I'd hoped, but this two part documentary released under the BBC's 'Storyville' banner is still worth watching.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...messiah-part-1

**Sir Honkers** · January 17th, 2019, 08:27 PM

Season 2 of Counterpart. I hope this continues into a third season, but I fear it won't.

January 13th, 2019, 05:28 PM	#2171
Greenman Live Legend of VEF Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Underground lair somewhere in the world Posts: 20,353 Thanks: 30,936 Thanked 383,520 Times in 19,356 Posts	A very good documentary - Raymond Briggs-Snowmen, Bogeymen and Milkmen' creator of Father Christmas, Fungus the Bogeyman and of course The Snowman/Snowdog. It is one of those programmes that shows you the man behind the most loved children's books and later the films made. It also gives you some insight into his parents(which he wrote a tribute to in Ethel and Ernest) and how he copes with life today. It also has some surprises which you may not know about(I certainly didn't) and you also get some celebrity fans talking about him as well. Check it out, I think it is still on BBC iplayer. If it doesn't leave you with a lump in your throat, you're probably made of stone! __________________ There was only ONE Greenman, and you accepted no substitutes! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Rest in peace MaxJoker-you will be sorely missed. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 20,000: Milestone reached!

January 15th, 2019, 06:20 PM	#2177
FlashRetro Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Beneath Leia's white gown Posts: 111 Thanks: 2,002 Thanked 1,970 Times in 119 Posts	Boardwalk Empire. I recently found a free streaming service on-line that has lots-o-stuff with no ads and started to watch Boardwalk Empire. I like it. It has HBO's 3 winning ingredients nudity, profanity and violence. You can't go wrong.

January 13th, 2019, 08:24 PM	#2172
Sir Honkers Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Land Of Glorious Leader Posts: 30,354 Thanks: 286,908 Thanked 386,321 Times in 30,311 Posts	Started watching Humans. I should have got into this ages ago.

January 14th, 2019, 02:10 PM	#2173
KissArmy Vintage Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,125 Thanks: 21,120 Thanked 12,372 Times in 1,106 Posts	Watched Dirty John on American TV last night. A scary, true story of a handsome but absolute psychopath who would get woman after woman to fall for him - and then turn their lives into a living hell. He could read women perfectly, told them exactly what they wanted to hear, and then slowly turned the relationship abusive. The women all ignored multiple red flags (like catching him in a lie) that should have told them what he really was. The daughter of his last woman victim killed him in self-defense when he tried to stab her to death. Murdering his final victim's daughter was his final, desperate attempt to intimidate the girl's mother into staying with him. A very well-done TV show about a bastard who had it coming- and you're frustrated that it took so long.

January 15th, 2019, 09:17 AM	#2174
Sir Honkers Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Land Of Glorious Leader Posts: 30,354 Thanks: 286,908 Thanked 386,321 Times in 30,311 Posts	Runaways season two. It's really got me hooked...but WTF?...a secret underground mansion!

January 15th, 2019, 03:51 PM	#2175
Oh hi Mark! Vintage Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,292 Thanks: 18,702 Thanked 22,172 Times in 1,294 Posts	I just finished the last episode in the Surviving R. Kelly docuseries. Man, that was quite the experience. 5 of the episodes are around 45 minutes long, while the last one is barely an hour long, so this wasn't something I could easily binge watch. I think doing so would've made the day(s) sour, because each episode had a heavy amount of dread. It does a really good job of getting the point across that R. Kelly is a sexual predator. Before the documentary, all I knew was the sextape thing, but mostly through the satiric lens of The Boondocks. They did an episode about R. Kelly's sextape, and a trial that was held, but it turned out that he didn't go to trial until 2008, this episode was a couple years before, the incident took place in 2000, he was arrested in 2002. The gap in time is crazy and they explained why. I haven't watched a lot of documentaries, the topic would have to interest me, and would definitely have to touch on pop culture. I won't see a historical documentary on World War 2, for example. Scientology, Going Clear? Hell yeah. A lot of new information to me, I never bothered looking up R. Kelly, I didn't have much of a connection to his content for over a decade. If I had good internet back when I was all over his Trapped in the Closet series (which is wild), I would have Googled him in a heartbeat, find out about his "alleged" sins and then tune him out. Also, Space Jam was a childhood movie, I still love it, and his song "I Believe I Can Fly" is just iconic, and it was made for the movie and has become a motivational anthem. All the more sad that the guy is actually a monster. I didn't take the pee tape seriously, as I should have, I thought it was one incident, crazy, gross, but that's it. Sometime later I heard about the Aaliyah relationship, even further back into the past, so I filed that away. The sex cult stuff over the last few years, that's when I got the impression that this man is creepy, sick, and this documentary just enhanced that opinion in a way I did not expect at all. What I thought I knew was just the surface. Though I'm not well-versed in documentaries, I was quick to pick up on certain cues and baiting they would do on a technical standpoint. Things to make it feel like a dramatization, footage of R. Kelly flavored with intense score music. That kind of content floods the senses to make it more obvious that the guy is dangerous, some cuts and shots of the "survivors," as they labeled them, do the job of convincing me that R. Kelly has damaged them. Given the subject matter, these little tricks and tactics are not bad here, they just accentuate things, because a viewer may not get the premium experience if it was just talking heads. The most tense parts came in the later episodes, one mother was filmed trying to make contact with her daughter, physically, something that had not been done for over a year. You see this girl, Dominique Gardener, pictures of her looking like a normal black woman, and then there's images of her going through a total transformation, brought on my R. Kelly. This transformation to a very masculine appearance, the hat, the short haircuit, male clothes, lots of tattoos, she looked completely different. For me I could tell it was her by the ears, random thing I paid attention to. That situation was one of a few that had good endings, but the movie is filled with the gloom and doom, for good reason. That was episode 5, episode 6 showed a family unable to have that same positive ending, and they haven't seen their daughter for 3 years, and in the timeline of all this, it takes place right after Dominique Gardener and her mom reunite. Lots of detail, first episode talked about R. Kelly growing up, the fact he was a victim of pedophilia from certain people (there's no details about it, other than it's someone in the family, and/or someone in his childhood neighborhood). They talked about his rise in the music industry, the Aaliyah situation made up the first episode. The sex tape, the trial, the backlash he got, and the overwhelming support he got that simply overshadowed the negative. Then you see it flipping, and now I don't think anyone supports the man unless they are a paid employee of his, or they are stupid (French Montana, he apologized, but bitch is stupid). If R. Kelly getting his world crumbled interests you, this is the best thing to consume for that. Also in general, a sexual assaulter, a guy who has indulged in statuotory rape, kidnapping, domestic abuse (his ex-wife is prominently featured in the first half of the docuseries), all these things that make up a villain of the Me Too and Time's Up movements, seeing that kind of person being taken down, this is the docuseries to watch. I admit it's suspect that R. Kelly is getting targeted when white abusers are roaming about, fighting it in legal battles (Weinstein and Spacey), while a black counterpart is more likely to get a prison sentence (Cosby). It's also suspect that Lifetime, of all channels, took this on, and not BET, a black people entertaintment channel. They did go into R. Kelly being defended by the black community, how black girls are the most disrespected demographic in the USA (an arguable opinion), and media outlets seeing money in backing R. Kelly and sticking with him. That's changing, and Lifetime took the jump, so despite it being a bit weird, suspect, it's still commendable. Not to just thank Lifetime, but the lead producer of this, dream hampton (no capitalization is her M.O. by the way). As a black woman, she took charge in making this the biggest retaliation from black women to someone in media form, in quite a long time, perhaps of all time. It's satisfying, and unique in US media. R. Kelly wants to fight this in court, but I have a feeling he won't have the money to back this. His cancellation is underway following the documentary, collaborations being pulled, his music being pulled from streaming platforms, RCA/Sony finally backing off and no longer supporting his future projects and stuff. 2018 was the end of Cosby, 2019 is going to be the end of R. Kelly, and please be the end of Weinstein and Spacey too, the more of these guys are in prison, the better.

January 16th, 2019, 02:16 AM	#2178
Reclaimedwg Vintage Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,414 Thanks: 7,709 Thanked 26,946 Times in 3,089 Posts	Just saw this on TV when I was flipping through the channels. https://tvline.com/2019/01/15/roswel...ned-cw-photos/ Didn't even know they rebooted it. The original 1999 series was great and it was cancelled after 3 season. Can't believe Shiri Appleby who played Liz in it is 40 years old now.

January 17th, 2019, 08:31 AM	#2179
anothercustom Vintage Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 4,950 Thanks: 25,742 Thanked 123,773 Times in 5,161 Posts	Waco: Madman or Messiah Perhaps not as good as I'd hoped, but this two part documentary released under the BBC's 'Storyville' banner is still worth watching. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...messiah-part-1

January 17th, 2019, 08:27 PM	#2180
Sir Honkers Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Land Of Glorious Leader Posts: 30,354 Thanks: 286,908 Thanked 386,321 Times in 30,311 Posts	Season 2 of Counterpart. I hope this continues into a third season, but I fear it won't.