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**Puhbear69** · January 28th, 2018, 11:45 AM

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Remember Saif Sareea in Oman in 2001. The new Challenger2 Tanks were breaking down all over the place because they didn't have sand filters fitted to the engine air intakes. BAe (or whatever name they had) were blamed by the press until they produced documentation they had advising the MOD that without filters they were not suitable for use in desert conditions and the reply from some MOD official that they would not be used in desert conditions so the filters were un necessary.

Guys that seems to be normal.

The new transport aircraft A400M, an Airbus cooperation of different European companies, of the Bundeswehr are all Grounded. Since one plane has crashed in Spain, as four of four engines had a malfunction

, they got grounded. All of the crew had died.

Since than things got very quite.
They have to use the old C-130, who are about 40 years old, furthermore.

The new Eurocopter "Tiger" chrashed in Mali (Africa), as supposedly the Rotor blades went off.

The crew died also.

The transport Helicopter NH90 got never ready to use. It had a long list of several malfunctions. It was never in use.

As I know together with Northon Gruman the drone "Euro-Hawk" got developed for about 1.3 Millard Euro. But it never got a certification in the European airspace.

It seems that Military Equipment is a wonderful opportunity for our politicians and industries, to waste and trash taxpayers money.

**Devius** · January 28th, 2018, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenman

Noticed that the walk on girls for the PDC darts championship will be dropped.

More than 15,000 sign petition to reverse walk-on ban

More than 15,000 people have signed a petition to reverse a ban on walk-on girls during darts matches.

"Not only would we break tradition but women would be out of work also," wrote David Shaw who created the online document.

Earlier this week The Professional Darts Corporation (PDC) announced it would no longer use walk-on girls in its tournaments.

Some fans and players say the ban takes away a key part of the experience.

Although some people have accused the sport of being stuck in the past, and say the role is demeaning.

However model Charlotte Wood who is one of the best known walk-on girls on the darts circuit has spoken out against the ban.

"Wow 10k signatures in 24 hours! A big thank you for everyone's support," she wrote on Twitter.

The 29-year-old said her "rights are being taken away" and darts accounts for 60% of her income.

Full details:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-42851554

Charlotte Wood (left) and Daniella Allfree at the PDC World Darts Championships at Alexandra Palace 2015

**haroldeye** · January 28th, 2018, 02:10 PM

The British A400's are flying. Watched one go into and out of Newcastle Airport just before Christmas. Very strange noise the engines make.

**Puhbear69** · January 28th, 2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by haroldeye

The British A400's are flying. Watched one go into and out of Newcastle Airport just before Christmas. Very strange noise the engines make.

If so, please duck your head.

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By the way, I still think that Trump is probably an imbecile in several ways, but he was in his speeches, a candidate who was not an enemy of Russia, when Clinton was.

The Kurds are learning actually - once more I have to say - how reliable an ally as US is.

The US has stopped their weapon support at the Kurds, as Erdowahn has intervened in the US.

(The BBC report of yesterday I coudn't find any more).

**Roubignol** · January 28th, 2018, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Devius

More than 15,000 sign petition to reverse walk-on ban
More than 15,000
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The 29-year-old said her "rights are being taken away" and darts accounts for 60% of her income.

Full details:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-42851554

Charlotte Wood (left) and Daniella Allfree at the PDC World Darts Championships at Alexandra Palace 2015

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The Women's Sport Trust tweeted: "We applaud the Professional Darts Corporation moving with the times and deciding to no longer use walk-on-girls. Motor racing, boxing and cycling... your move."

Yeah and we have to impose to women to walk topless at the swimming pool or men wearing bikini bras.

**Dr Pepper** · January 28th, 2018, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Puhbear69

Guys that seems to be normal.

The transport Helicopter NH90 got never ready to use. It had a long list of several malfunctions. It was never in use.

It seems that Military Equipment is a wonderful opportunity for our politicians and industries, to waste and trash taxpayers money.

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The list is endless-and even when you get it right you get it wrong! NZ adopted the Steyr AUG as the main all arms weapon in the 1980s-the first tranche came from Steyr in Austria-the remainder were licence made in Australia see: http://lithgowsafmuseum.org.au/history.html#modernsaf The bulk of the NZDF ones were actually Australian made. Not long afterwards various people started noticing a significant increase (particularly in army) of 'UD occurrences' firing a round- blank or otherwise-without permission. This always results in a discipinary event-and the excuses started to standardise on 'but it was set to SAFE Sir'.....sure enough-a thorough investigation showed that a significant number of the Australian versions would fire with the safety set to 'safe' This mushroomed at an alarming rate and got ugly political very quickly-especially as the good burghers of Lithgow took a very dim view of uppity kiwis slagging off their craftsmanship! ....and it pretty much seemed that Lithgow was a one industry town-so they were none too happy about their livelihood being threatened....

A case of 'just because something is licence built-don't assume it is of the same quality as the original manufacturer....!' Actually-in the end it all came down to tolerances on some of the plastic parts (the Steyr AUG having a very high proportion of plastic in it for a combat weapon!)

And don't get me started on the NH90-which we purchased as a replacement for the Iroquois.....we wanted a drafthorse and we got a show pony...

**otokonomidori** · January 28th, 2018, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xyzde69

or men wearing bikini bras.

Nowadays my tits are nearly big enough to need one.

**CARLTON BROWN** · January 28th, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

The list is endless-and even when you get it right you get it wrong! NZ adopted the Steyr AUG as the main all arms weapon in the 1980s-the first tranche came from Steyr in Austria-the remainder were licence made in Australia see: http://lithgowsafmuseum.org.au/history.html#modernsaf The bulk of the NZDF ones were actually Australian made. Not long afterwards various people started noticing a significant increase (particularly in army) of 'UD occurrences' firing a round- blank or otherwise-without permission. This always results in a discipinary event-and the excuses started to standardise on 'but it was set to SAFE Sir'.....sure enough-a thorough investigation showed that a significant number of the Australian versions would fire with the safety set to 'safe' This mushroomed at an alarming rate and got ugly political very quickly-especially as the good burghers of Lithgow took a very dim view of uppity kiwis slagging off their craftsmanship! ....and it pretty much seemed that Lithgow was a one industry town-so they were none too happy about their livelihood being threatened....

A case of 'just because something is licence built-don't assume it is of the same quality as the original manufacturer....!' Actually-in the end it all came down to tolerances on some of the plastic parts (the Steyr AUG having a very high proportion of plastic in it for a combat weapon!)

And don't get me started on the NH90-which we purchased as a replacement for the Iroquois.....we wanted a drafthorse and we got a show pony...

It's not uncommon for new military small arms to have quite serious problems in the field. The US M-16 was very unpopular in Vietnam due to propellant issues and manufacturing faults. The first version of the British SA80 had so many faults when new, most had to be rebuilt by H&K in Germany at substantial cost. The German G36, thought to be a big improvement over American assault rifles had barrel overheating issues. This may be the reason why UK police recently swapped their G36 carbines for American made weapons. I believe a similar US rifle is now being purchased by NZ to replace the Thales AUG. The French are also going to replace their current rifle with a German version of the American M4.

Military weapons have become more complex over the years, smaller in calibre and are expected to keep working in apalling conditions, where reliability is the most important issue. Only the Russians seem ahead of the game with their cruder, simpler and cheaper designs.

**rupertramjet** · January 28th, 2018, 11:31 PM

The SA80 was not a 'new' weapon, first trialed in the early 60's, it lost out to the SLR, Belgian FN, SLR in the British Army as it did not have automatic option.

I remember a REME armourer bringing the new mark 2 SA80 to demonstrate it to us in the dessert, he fired ten rounds at 100m, then cleaned the weapon fired another ten rounds at 150 m,and then again cleaned it, one of the three sarnt majors with me at the demo said 'course we gonna have time for that in a fucking fire fight!'

The best infantry assault weapon is without doubt the AK47, simple, effective and designed by an Infantryman, those of us who have to use the bloody things!

**Dr Pepper** · January 29th, 2018, 12:30 AM

There have been some absolute shockers of military weapons over the years-one of the classics that springs to mind was an Italian machine gun (probably a Breda of one form or another, since that was their major MG manufacturer) which used a semi flexible strip of cartridges (in a similar fashion to the French Hotchkiss and some Japanese guns-except this one extracted the cartridge from the strip, fed it, chambered it, fired it, extracted it-AND PUT THE EMPTY CASE BACK IN THE STRIP! So the poor old number 2 on the crew had to strip out the empty cases before reloading the strip! To quote rupertramjets's sar majors again "of course the gun No2 had time for that in a firefight"....

Once again "what were they thinking......"

January 28th, 2018, 02:10 PM	#32043
haroldeye Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Halfwitistan Posts: 5,716 Thanks: 113,591 Thanked 59,980 Times in 5,708 Posts	The British A400's are flying. Watched one go into and out of Newcastle Airport just before Christmas. Very strange noise the engines make.

January 28th, 2018, 11:31 PM	#32049
rupertramjet R.I.P. Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cloud cuckoo land Posts: 4,300 Thanks: 26,852 Thanked 54,117 Times in 4,288 Posts	The SA80 was not a 'new' weapon, first trialed in the early 60's, it lost out to the SLR, Belgian FN, SLR in the British Army as it did not have automatic option. I remember a REME armourer bringing the new mark 2 SA80 to demonstrate it to us in the dessert, he fired ten rounds at 100m, then cleaned the weapon fired another ten rounds at 150 m,and then again cleaned it, one of the three sarnt majors with me at the demo said 'course we gonna have time for that in a fucking fire fight!' The best infantry assault weapon is without doubt the AK47, simple, effective and designed by an Infantryman, those of us who have to use the bloody things!

January 29th, 2018, 12:30 AM	#32050
Dr Pepper Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: NZ Posts: 4,056 Thanks: 70,881 Thanked 41,069 Times in 4,047 Posts	There have been some absolute shockers of military weapons over the years-one of the classics that springs to mind was an Italian machine gun (probably a Breda of one form or another, since that was their major MG manufacturer) which used a semi flexible strip of cartridges (in a similar fashion to the French Hotchkiss and some Japanese guns-except this one extracted the cartridge from the strip, fed it, chambered it, fired it, extracted it-AND PUT THE EMPTY CASE BACK IN THE STRIP! So the poor old number 2 on the crew had to strip out the empty cases before reloading the strip! To quote rupertramjets's sar majors again "of course the gun No2 had time for that in a firefight".... Once again "what were they thinking......"