Atheist, are you one??

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by ellias

Why is it that most atheists seem to be miserable human beings. Just saying.

You need to work on your insults. Just saying.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by howerd

The 'what' is the point I keep making but seems to go over believer's heads again & again - Faith is not a reliable path to truth. It allows corrupt institutions such as the Catholic Church & TV Evangelists to exploit the gullible so they can & do milk them for every single penny they've got & that's extremely damaging to everyone in the big picture.

As being myself a total adept of Anarcho-Communism, you preached someone who is conviced that faith is not a reliable path to truth.

Just look the results about faith in money as supreme referee in our societies.

I do not trust faith in religion, nor faith in the state, faith in the economy, faith in the concept of "money-debt".

But I still prefer to share relashionship with a fair believer, instead to share with an abominable atheist.

Originally Posted by howerd

Probably not but if the words attributed to him are true he did promote the idea that faith is a good thing & it's not. It's a bad thing. Apart from religion what other belief is considered valid based on totally unsupportable extraordinary claims? We've stopped burning so called "witches" at least in the developed West (there's still some of that sort of thing occurring in Africa though). I can't think of much but people still defend faith as somehow valuable but how could it be?

I'm not that sure that the "atheistic" faith in economy doesn't harm and kill directly and indirectly far more people on Earth each year.

"Jesus Christ" wisely said: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."

We both have to be careful before to judge others.

It's not because someone believes in God, that he doesn't trust science.
It's not because someone doesn't believe in God, that he trust science. (I know quite a lot of capitalists who do not believe in God and do not trust scientifics thinking that human activities impact the climate)

Originally Posted by howerd

Well if he taught people that faith is a good thing anything at all could be believed & frequently is if they are conditioned to believe unsupportable claims without any self doubt.

In what do you have faith?

As I already said, I speak French: avoir la foi = to have faith
in French avoir la foi = croire, avoir confiance https://www.linternaute.fr/dictionna...efinition/foi/
That means to have faith.

There probably tons of facts that you defend without being able to demonstrate them by yourself. You have faith in people who have transmitted points of view you think to be logical. Isn't it?

Originally Posted by ellias

Why is it that most atheists seem to be miserable human beings. Just saying.

Oh Dear... There are plenty of theists who didn't and still don't behave well too.
In fact on Earth, theists have murdered plenty of human beings and animals, in hidding behind their "god" to act like monsters.

[Yajau Feiying]

Originally Posted by ellias

Why is it that most atheists seem to be miserable human beings. Just saying.

An article from ChristianToday suggests the opposite. Of course this is just a correlation so it doesn't necessarily follow that people are any happier because of their atheism.

https://www.christiantoday.com/artic...ous/127465.htm

My personal experience is I was brought up in a secular household so am unlikely to adopt a religion as an adult. Without childhood indoctrination (or 'tradition as some people prefer) religions wouldn't survive very long.

[Sir Honkers]

Originally Posted by ellias

Why is it that most atheists seem to be miserable human beings. Just saying.

That's a pretty big generalisation. I've always wondered how anyone with a pinch of compassion and empathy could believe in a god who's a vindictive arsehole.

[george anson]

I've been an atheist since I was a small boy. I read voraciously from an early age due to extremely severe asthma that required hospitalization and the pain and effort required just to breathe at times was immense.

Needless to say the inability to exercise or join in with friends activities rendered me the chance to read. And read I did. Copiously. And many of the books devoured were on science which made a great impression on me and led me into the world of academic science eventually.

Fortunately I grew out of this asthma although I still have to have medication to control it and became a very good athlete but I remember having sincere doubts as a child about Gods existence. Epicurean you might say. And having learnt about the various mythos invented by civilizations gone and still extant I came to the swift conclusion which I uttered in a Religious Studies class that man created God not the other way around. And that Jesus was probably a spaceman if he indeed possessed miraculous powers or had even existed. Which my RS and Latin teacher swiftly brought out a copy of Van Danikens Chariots of the Gods.

People seem to lack critical faculty even today. It is a huge pity that problems cannot be addressed rationally by using the intellect we all can possess rather than trying to invoke God or use God as an excuse. The sooner religions are done away with the better.

Ironically though I do admire religious architecture and music be it from the western or Orthodox traditions. But I admire it purely from a functional and aesthetic view not religious.

PS I am quite a cheerful soul sometimes zany at times with a penchant for pranks. What depresses me is the ultimate fate of the universe according to the data we currently have.

[befuddled]

Originally Posted by ellias

Why is it that most atheists seem to be miserable human beings. Just saying.

That is not a well thought out response based on facts or knowledge. It's the very opposite of being well reasoned. It's the kind of thing one says when one is blowing off steam or just spouting off and hasn't thought the point through.

In order for the statement to be accurate, one must know, at minimum, 51% of all atheists on the Earth, and one must know that they are miserable people. Humans are are not 1 dimensional. Sometimes they are miserable; sometimes they are happy; sometimes they are in-between. So when one says "that most atheists seem to be miserable human beings", one is not saying that most atheists are miserable at times. One is saying that they they are miserable all of the time.

There are plenty of miserable theists. I've known many as a Christian and as a nonbeliever. Can I say, then, that most theists seem to be miserable people? Of course not; I'd have to know at least 51% of all theists and know that they're all miserable people.

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by Yajau Feiying

(...). Of course this is just a correlation so it doesn't necessarily follow that people are any happier because of their atheism.

Originally Posted by befuddled

(...)Humans are are not 1 dimensional. Sometimes they are miserable; sometimes they are happy; sometimes they are in-between.

...).

I'm pretty sure he just called us @ssholes, and not miserable as in the emotional state.

[ellias]

Thank you for proving my point.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by ellias

Thank you for proving my point.

..... and thank you for proving how easily believers are pleased.
It says so in the Bible so it must be true

It's Sunday so I'm browsing VEF watching "Lost Girl" and eating cake ..... god I feel so miserable right now


PS I know plenty miserable believers, how would you think that was possible in your mind-set ???

[vinceprince]

Originally Posted by ellias

Thank you for proving my point.

Obviously that's the religious definition of 'proof'.

If 'proof' is just your very personal interpretation of the musings of a few anonymous nobodies with their own agendas.

Not a very high bar is it.