Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Which kind of catastrophe?
You was educated (as I was) accepting that elderly people can abuse of the working force of the young generation.

Chinese youth only have to burry a billion of dead elderly people and then they will get a huge countryside available for them.

The problem is not just that the population is rapidly aging. The current generation of child bearing age was raised as only children and prefers to accumulate consumer goods rather than spend their income raising children. Many are not even willing to raise one child, much less two or more.

It is striking to realize that very few adults lived past their mid-forties at the beginning of the 20th century and many women still died in childbirth in their teens, twenties, and early thirties. Medical advances and anti-biotic drugs changed life expectancy dramatically beginning in the 1940s.

We can talk about delaying retirement ages, but few blue collar workers are able to continue working into their sixties. Bodies just break down from walking on concrete, lifting heavy objects, being exposed to hazardous chemicals, and untreated injuries. My youngest brother damaged his knee on the job, but was afraid to report for fear he would be laid off with a family to support. He gutted it out for years, but found himself laid off in 2008. He found a new job with a former customer of his old company that was impressed with his work, but now that he is in his med-fifties the knee is becoming more problematic. He will probably need a knee replacement well before retirement, but will be screwed because he failed to report it back when it happened.

His younger sister has been a registered nurse for nearly 30 years, but is finding it increasingly difficult to stay on her feet for 12 hour shifts and move bed ridden patients. (It doesn't help that so many of us in the United States are really, really fat.) Fortunately, her youngest daughter leaves college next year, her father-in-law just died, and her mother-in-law is not expected to survive much longer. But she will be trying to find a new line of work and facing a pay cut. She might do OK, because she is far more personable than her siblings.

Even white collar workers find themselves at risk from back problems and repetitive stress injuries after years of working at poorly designed computer workstations.

[haroldeye]

69 - No children or grandchildren. The problem facing the world today is over population and I have no wish to add to it.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

If humanity has to survive, I hope that grandparents (who have decided to impose life to their genes) will accept to take by themselves their lethal pills when the game looks over.

Isn't it that the notion of a fair responsability ?
Please answer to this question.

Well, there you have it. Euthanasia.

I hate to break it to you, but people, even old people, cling tenaciously to life. They are not going to take L-Pills because you want them to, you'll have to make them.

So we're back to Logan's Run, Real World Edition, uncut, with xyzde69 as director and executive producer.

You got this idea from reading about Eskimos, didn't you?

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by haroldeye

69 -The problem facing the world today is over population and I have no wish to add to it.

I reckon I'd enjoy adding to it provided I don't have to pay for or look after the little bastards

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Well, there you have it. Euthanasia.

I hate to break it to you, but people, even old people, cling tenaciously to life. They are not going to take L-Pills because you want them to, you'll have to make them.

So we're back to Logan's Run, Real World Edition, uncut, with xyzde69 as director and executive producer.

You got this idea from reading about Eskimos, didn't you?

No euthanasia ! Only to forbid the therapeutic relentlessness.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

No euthanasia ! Only to forbid the therapeutic relentlessness.

I said that old people will cling to life too. This means that they will seek whatever treatment that will give them those extra 5 or 10 years, even if it means spending down their estate and leaving nothing for their children in many cases. It's they who promote the "therapeutic relentlessness", not the evil doctors or HMO moguls or rest home owners.


By passing laws to deny treatment to those who want it and can pay for it, and putting a patient in a plain old bed with no life support and having a nurse come in to offer them an L-Pill instead, you are by default practicing euthanasia.

Here again you promote the interests of the state over the will of the individual, like a good Fascist or Communist government does.

Western democracies don't work that way.

[Wendigo]

Who'd have thought it a hard line communist at heart who wants to get rid of non productive people who also harbours ambitions to be an anarchist, all that and he's disguised as a socialist vegan
Sheesh it's so hard to weigh people up these days.

I wonder what his thoughts for the day will be tomorrow as they change along with the prevailing wind direction, come on Wolfie

Power to the People

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I said that old people will cling to life too. This means that they will seek whatever treatment that will give them those extra 5 or 10 years, even if it means spending down their estate and leaving nothing for their children in many cases. It's they who promote the "therapeutic relentlessness", not the evil doctors or HMO moguls or rest home owners.


By passing laws to deny treatment to those who want it and can pay for it, and putting a patient in a plain old bed with no life support and having a nurse come in to offer them an L-Pill instead, you are by default practicing euthanasia.

Here again you promote the interests of the state over the will of the individual, like a good Fascist or Communist government does.

Western democracies don't work that way.

I've seen doctors telling bullshits to my mother about her cancer when they perfectly knew that it was a cancer impossible to cure.
They put a lot of money in their wallet, manipulated my mother (and all her family) during 5 years.
When she decided to stop her treatment, because she was suffering too much, one of her doctors went to her room and asked her : "Are you really sure ?"
In Switzerland healthcare insurances can tell if they agree to reimbourse the costs or not of a treatment.
We were surprised to learn 6 monthes before her death, that the healthcare insurance didn't want to pay her last chimiotherapy. We were shocked. But before that insurance reaction, what we didn't know was that she was condamned since the first diagnosis of her ovarian cancer.
During 5 years, her life was sad. I let you think when you wake up everyday thinking that you get a cancer that can kill you without knowing that it surely will kill you. Five years of fights, with few hopes (false remission) and a lot of deception, because of lies.

That's how the Western democracies work.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

I've seen doctors telling bullshits to my mother about her cancer when they perfectly knew that it was a cancer impossible to cure.

This is terribly sad stuff. I'm sorry.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

I've seen doctors telling bullshits to my mother about her cancer when they perfectly knew that it was a cancer impossible to cure.
They put a lot of money in their wallet, manipulated my mother (and all her family) during 5 years.
When she decided to stop her treatment, because she was suffering too much, one of her doctors went to her room and asked her : "Are you really sure ?"
In Switzerland healthcare insurances can tell if they agree to reimbourse the costs or not of a treatment.
We were surprised to learn 6 monthes before her death, that the healthcare insurance didn't want to pay her last chimiotherapy. We were shocked. But before that insurance reaction, what we didn't know was that she was condamned since the first diagnosis of her ovarian cancer.
During 5 years, her life was sad. I let you think when you wake up everyday thinking that you get a cancer that can kill you without knowing that it surely will kill you. Five years of fights, with few hopes (false remission) and a lot of deception, because of lies.

That's how the Western democracies work.

Well, I'm sorry to hear that about your mother.

But didn't the initial rounds of treatments prolong her life? That is my point. People will cling to hope, and try to keep going, even when life with a disease becomes uncomfortable.

You should be informed if your condition is terminal, however. I thought doctors everywhere would be forced to disclose that, once it becomes obvious to them.

That would be one medical law worth passing.

And that is also a case in which voluntary assisted suicide is worth pursuing, when you are sick, and in a lot of pain, and there is absolutely no chance of getting better.