Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Mal Hombre]

Lord God Almighty, This thread is more tedious than Wank Club,You're not going to convince anyone,You've made Your points and no one has changed Their opinons.I find it ironic that someone who hates Capitalism as wholeheartedly as You profess to do,Should choose to live In Switzerland of all places,Surely You should be living in Venezuela or perhaps North Korea ?

[Mosco Vito]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it the dire housing shortage was a constant during the Soviet years, with several generations of the same family living in one apartment. During the period 1917 to 1991 Russia graduated from an agrarian economy in which 80% of the people lived in the countryside and worked on the land, to an industrial society in which 80% of the people lived in cities and worked in industry, commerce and the professions. Housing development lagged behind this demographic change.

Thanks to the miracle of google I have just learned a new word - Khrushcheby. It refers to Mr Kruschev's initiative in the late 1950s to build thousands of apartment blocks all over the USSR, the first really serious attempt by the Soviet government to house its own people properly. Khrushcheby is a play on Mr Kruschev's name and rhymes with the Russian word "trushchoby" (трущобы), which means "slums". This seems a tad ungrateful. At least he was trying.

I never heard the option of "Khrusheba", these houses were always called" Khrushchevka". Yes, it was Khrushchev who first tried to solve the problem of housing and make it humane methods (under Stalin, the problem of housing was solved by eviction from the cities of "non-proletarian" families). A lot of people still remember Khrushchev appreciated. For that time Khrushchev's initiative was a real breakthrough.

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Originally Posted by Mosco Vito
Since 1991, Russia has been a capitalist country. In the Soviet era, the country had an effective housing programme, which provided free housing. The degradation of the housing stock began in the post-Soviet times.

You conveniently overlooked the fact that you alleviated any possible housing shortage by having so many "state criminals" residing in the Gulag Archipelago.

The maximum number of prisoners of the Gulag was in 1953. Then in Stalin's camps were 1728000 prisoners. The population of the USSR in the same year was 188 million people. This hardly affected the housing issue. After Stalin's death, about one and a half million people were released from the camps for several years.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

Lord God Almighty, This thread is more tedious than Wank Club,You're not going to convince anyone,You've made Your points and no one has changed Their opinons.I find it ironic that someone who hates Capitalism as wholeheartedly as You profess to do,Should choose to live In Switzerland of all places,Surely You should be living in Venezuela or perhaps North Korea ?

Both countries are oppressed by the Capitalist plutocracy. I dislike the fact that Kim Jong is the unique leader.
That's why I prefer to live in my way in Switzerland. Spending few money, contributing as less as possible to the capitalist system in consuming few. That's the best way to starve capitalism. No fight, no nuclear bombs... starving the system in not irrationally reinjecting money to the circuit. Going back to friendship, to the roots.

As I already told, I prefer Anarchist concepts. Living in small friendly communities instead huge greedy democracies or unfair dictatorships.

But first of all, I'm more and more a convinced anti-capitalist. Capitalism will destroy the future of your descendants (and probably of a lot of other evolved forms of life).

As you can observed, I only reply to Capitalist propagandists... nothing else. That's what defend a guy like Noam Chomsky... Free speech.

It seems to me that Capitalism destroyed the spirituality, not in a religious form, but at the level of common sense.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

But first of all, I'm more and more a convinced anti-capitalist. Capitalism will destroy the future of your descendants (and probably a lot of other evolutionned forms of life).

Communists should be OK then

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

Communists should be OK then

I made a mistake that I corrected. Do not forget that I use this forum to improve my English.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

But first of all, I'm more and more a convinced anti-capitalist. Capitalism will destroy the future of your descendants (and probably a lot of other evolved forms of life).

The spelling wasn't the issue (see above), my point that communists will be safe still stands regardless of the spelling.

I told you I would keep popping back to take the piss

[bowlinggreen]

Regardless of everything you have posted, xyzde69, you always fail to take into account that humans are individual creatures, and want to do what they want to do, whether it be good or evil.

Capitalism, though not perfect, allows humans great and small to do what they want, to a greater degree than a rigid belief system like Communism ever can. This is why capitalism wins out. It has won out in the former USSR, and is in the process of winning out in China.

Unless you pick up a gun and force people to do things your way, you will be forever relegated to the status of sputtering pseudo-intellectual, poring over old socialist texts and scolding your fellow humans for their "evil" ways.

[crinolynne]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Regardless of everything you have posted, xyzde69, you always fail to take into account that humans are individual creatures, and want to do what they want to do, whether it be good or evil.

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Ah but they're not and excuse me if I don't trust that your enlightened self interest will benefit me in any shape or form. That just another form of the pseudo intellectual nonsense you accuse the communist ilk as having. Your use of that term did your argument and yourself no credit. Personally, I'm waiting for Hari Sheldon to come along and codify it all.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by crinolynne

Ah but they're not and excuse me if I don't trust that your enlightened self interest will benefit me in any shape or form. That just another form of the pseudo intellectual nonsense you accuse the communist ilk as having. Your use of that term did your argument and yourself no credit. Personally, I'm waiting for Hari Sheldon to come along and codify it all.

What an inane post IMO.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

In hating all form of politics, that means that you are not that far from Anarchism.

I've stated I hate the political threads on here, I only participate in this one a lot because of my complete hated of Communism ,

I've stated that Capitalism is not perfect but I'm far from hating it

Originally Posted by xyzde69

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Be careful Estreeter, you don't know how much you contradict yourself without knowing it.

Feel free to look back through this thread and find posts where I've admitted that I have some contradictory views and even some hypocrisy, they are there and I know what they are.

What I cannot understand is you have said the best way to destroy capitalism is to not support it buy spending money on it's consumer items. You've also stayed that worker need to be paid more ...... Well what would they want more money for other than spend it don't make sense to me to have more money yet not spend it

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Do not forget that I use this forum to improve my English.