President Donald Trump's Final Days...

[Jack Tripper]

Originally Posted by frank07

Indeed. Priceless stuff. Love the stuff about Trump being too dumb to collude with Russia. Roger Stone is cracking up too, which is saying something, because - whatever you think about him - he's an ultra-savvy operator.

The walls appear to be closing in on the orange hemorrhoid in chief. For the past few months I didn't quite believe that he'd be ousted before his term was up, but now I'm not so sure.

Of course, Mitch McConnell could yet have some tricks up his monogrammed sleeve, but he's been strangely ineffective of late.

I still don't think that Trump will actually get impeached. I agree with Nunberg in that Trump is just to stupid to collude with Russia, and Putin is too smart to collude with an idiot like Trump. Muller might get him for illegal/shady business dealings because I'm sure Trump has a ton of those, not necessarily with Russia but in general. Even then though, will it actually lead to impeachment? I don't think so, I'm skeptical on that.

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I have no idea what the Nunberg thing was. Was it a planned distraction? Maybe him and Stone had a falling out and this was his way to prove to Stone that he, Nunberg, was still loyal? Maybe they were trying to get a message to Trump, or bait Trump into reacting?
However, sometimes the simplest answer is the correct answer. Maybe Nunberg is just really really stupid.

It's been over a year now and I'm still amazed by the daily circus that engulfs the White House. It's like a wacky cartoon brought to life.

[frank07]

Originally Posted by Jack Tripper

I still don't think that Trump will actually get impeached. I agree with Nunberg in that Trump is just to stupid to collude with Russia, and Putin is too smart to collude with an idiot like Trump. Muller might get him for illegal/shady business dealings because I'm sure Trump has a ton of those, not necessarily with Russia but in general. Even then though, will it actually lead to impeachment? I don't think so, I'm skeptical on that.

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I have no idea what the Nunberg thing was. Was it a planned distraction? Maybe him and Stone had a falling out and this was his way to prove to Stone that he, Nunberg, was still loyal? Maybe they were trying to get a message to Trump, or bait Trump into reacting?
However, sometimes the simplest answer is the correct answer. Maybe Nunberg is just really really stupid.

It's been over a year now and I'm still amazed by the daily circus that engulfs the White House. It's like a wacky cartoon brought to life.

Indeed. It never stops. My new year's resolution was to ignore Trump news. See how that worked out.

I completely agree with you that Nunberg's a moron. I think he got panicked, hit the bottle/did some lines/both and started calling up TV stations. There was no grand plan there.

As for Trump - I don't think he'll be impeached either. I think it would be a mistake on the Democrats part to impeach him, because they'll make a martyr of him to his followers, and possibly even boost his popularity. (But, of course, since when can you count on the Democrats to get much right? And I say that as an exasperated supporter)

The likeliest scenario is that his own people will force him out, with the equally odious Pence as his successor.

Of course, we don't know what Mueller actually has. The latest is that Mueller is supposed to have a kind of promissory note Trump gave the Russians, guaranteeing that he'd drop sanctions. If that's in exchange for personal payment, he's screwed.

But, for now, things appear to be gathering pace in the investigation, and none of it is remotely good for Trump or his enablers.

All in all, it's super-sweet karma.

[Jack Tripper]

Originally Posted by frank07

Indeed. It never stops. My new year's resolution was to ignore Trump news. See how that worked out.

I completely agree with you that Nunberg's a moron. I think he got panicked, hit the bottle/did some lines/both and started calling up TV stations. There was no grand plan there.

As for Trump - I don't think he'll be impeached either. I think it would be a mistake on the Democrats part to impeach him, because they'll make a martyr of him to his followers, and possibly even boost his popularity. (But, of course, since when can you count on the Democrats to get much right? And I say that as an exasperated supporter)

The likeliest scenario is that his own people will force him out, with the equally odious Pence as his successor.

Of course, we don't know what Mueller actually has. The latest is that Mueller is supposed to have a kind of promissory note Trump gave the Russians, guaranteeing that he'd drop sanctions. If that's in exchange for personal payment, he's screwed.

But, for now, things appear to be gathering pace in the investigation, and none of it is remotely good for Trump or his enablers.

All in all, it's super-sweet karma.

Dems have been calling for impeachment since day 1. It's pointless and stupid and it shows that they have absolutely no strategy. If they were smart they would try to bring Trump over to their side. Let's not forget that Trump has no actual political foundation, he just listens to whomever is in the room or whatever gets him a good news cycle. He showed this earlier when he supported DACA for a minute and again last week when he pretty much said "let's take all the guns away". If they were smart they would capitalize on his stupidity and use it to their advantage, sadly they aren't.

I don't think Republicans will turn on Trump. They just can't afford to. Even though Trump has a low 30% approval rating all of that 30% is from Republican voters. If the Republicans turn on Trump their base will turn on them. The only win-win option for them is an insanity plea where Trump claims he has dementia or something and the GOP have to remove him "for his own good". But that will never happen, Trump will never agree to that.
What I think will happen, and what is already happening to some extent is that standard GOP politicians will just give up and quit. Especially now with the investigation heating up. They will go home and just wait for this dumpster fire to burn itself out.

[frank07]

Originally Posted by Jack Tripper

Dems have been calling for impeachment since day 1. It's pointless and stupid and it shows that they have absolutely no strategy. If they were smart they would try to bring Trump over to their side. Let's not forget that Trump has no actual political foundation, he just listens to whomever is in the room or whatever gets him a good news cycle. He showed this earlier when he supported DACA for a minute and again last week when he pretty much said "let's take all the guns away". If they were smart they would capitalize on his stupidity and use it to their advantage, sadly they aren't.

I don't think Republicans will turn on Trump. They just can't afford to. Even though Trump has a low 30% approval rating all of that 30% is from Republican voters. If the Republicans turn on Trump their base will turn on them. The only win-win option for them is an insanity plea where Trump claims he has dementia or something and the GOP have to remove him "for his own good". But that will never happen, Trump will never agree to that.
What I think will happen, and what is already happening to some extent is that standard GOP politicians will just give up and quit. Especially now with the investigation heating up. They will go home and just wait for this dumpster fire to burn itself out.

With a despairing nod, I concur with all that you've written. Although I'm not sure the Dems could bring Trump to heel with even the best will in the world. They lack their opponents' ruthlessness and cynicism.

[Mal Hombre]

You Impeach Trump,You get President Pence..

[Meini Again]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

You Impeach Trump,You get President Pence..

Probably....

But Pence is 'periphalel' on Manafort / Gates / Flynn / Nunes.... etc.
He is the 'Go-To-Guy' when they run for cover initially.

Except, when they flip, ( and only the Mueller camp know how much they've flipped.)

If the investigation is tightening the noose around Trump.... Pence will be the last to fall. The penultimate domino ~ imo

The guy is a disease on humanity. Such a long-term player.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0d86c803c7bc7

Whereas one can see Trump as a bumbling, Fallstaff type figure... ranting-out, without knowledge nor education on everything from TV ratings ~ NFL ~ TV Ratings ~ Environment ~ TV Ratings ~ Oscars ~ TV Ratings ...and never EVER BIGLY met a Pornstar, in spite of pics of them together..... can't wait for Stormy to post his genitals pics he sent her....

YES...I can wait...

~ like leaving an NFL game after 10 minutes....per Trump ...or going to the Winter Olympics...and remaining seated....per Trump.

Mal H was right, tho he didn't state it... Mods huh


Pence is the "Evil-in-the-Wings"

~imo ~

P.S.

I am deff not anti-gay ! In case anyone mis-read me rant
As a volunteer I've worked alongside Princess Diana in her early campaigns for resolvement of HIV/AIDs paranoia.

I just don't like those... and I have met many, in the UK, politicians at all levels, who decry LGBT .... Who Vote Against Equality Bills.... and are themselves Gay etc.... HYPOCRASICY and COWARDICE COMBINED.

I just recognise Pence.

AS ONE OK ?




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[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

It was also known that Trump lacked credentials for public office, but he managed to game the system and gather enough Electoral College votes to get elected despite being trounced in the better educated and more economically vibrant areas of the country. He is the duly elected President according to our Constitutional process.

Originally Posted by BigDickRichard

Known by whom? This is something I hear a lot, but never has any substance to it. Which is odd, because this is exactly the same thing we heard in 2008 when the Left went after Sarah Palin. Palin had far more qualifications than Obama having been both a mayor and Governor, but that seemed to be glossed over as it didn’t fit the narrative. I can concede this if you acknowledge that Obama lacked the credentials as well, and because he will ultimately go down as one of the worst Presidents ever, then the next President should have had more. Trump has been a very successful businessman for decades and grew hi brand to one of the most well known in the world. He wasn’t a 20 something year old college student who had never held and job or paid a bill.

We are seeing the consequences of electing a person with no government experience in the continual ethical violations by his political appointees and the sheer number of administration actions put on hold by the courts. Hell, Trump hasn't even been a good businessman, with his multiple bankruptcies, His fortune has been built by defrauding his lenders and suppliers.

And, yes, Obama had virtually no credentials at the time of his election and probably would not have been elected without the economy being in freefall after the Crash of 2007. Obama was the least qualified person elected since Abraham Lincoln.

Originally Posted by Brian249x

... he managed to game the system and gather enough Electoral College votes to get elected despite being trounced in the better educated and more economically vibrant areas of the country. He is the duly elected President according to our Constitutional process.

Originally Posted by BigDickRichard

How did he “game the system”, when the rules to the game have been the same since the beginning, and he played within them? Trump did what had to be done to win, while his opponent only played up to the votes she already had. For the talk of Trump not having credentials for public office, he sure showed his intelligence by implementing a playbook that proved to be successful, while the more experienced candidate with the entire establishment supporting her, failed miserably.



Take out the state of California, or a couple communities outside of NY, and Trump easily wins the popular vote as well. And last I checked, the good people of Flint, Detroit, Baltimore, Jacksonville, St Louis and all the other poor and violent cities within the US didn’t vote for Trump. I find it odd that Trump and Republicans are always accused of only caring for the rich, their base after all, while Democrats care about the poor, yet once an election is over, Democrats start talking about how much better off their voters are, despite the fact that poor and inner cities always vote Liberal, while rich well off communities vote Republican.

I find it suspicious that Trump managed his Electoral College victory by eeking out tiny wins in swing states where the election machinery is controlled by Republicans. In fact, there are several "red states" that seem as if there ought to be more of a Democrat presence based on the numbers of registered voters, but the Republicans are in charge of voter rolls and counting ballots. There are reports of voter intimidation and rumors of fraud in these states. So, I am not sure that Trump's victory would withstand rigorous scrutiny. (Not that the Democrats in Illinois and New York, and formerly in the Deep South were not guilty of similar skullduggery.)

And yes, the Democrats have sold out their constituents at least as badly as the Republicans. But the fact remains that California, New York, and Texas provide 30% of the nation's GDP. Texas is both a red state and a taker state (gets more government spending than it pays in taxes.) In general the donor states are blue states and have higher GDP per capita.

Originally Posted by Brian249x

What is not known is whether or not Trump has been economically compromised by Russia. There are grounds to believe that Russian investors have kept his real estate ventures afloat and that the Trump Organization is guilty of money laundering for Russian criminals. These suspicions have not been allayed by Mr Trump's repeated efforts and threats to obstruct the FBI investigations into his activities and those of his associates. Right now Mr. Mueller has not sought indictments against Donald Trump or the Trump Organization. If indictments were to be issued both are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

One of several media reports

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/332...the-funding-we

As to Russian meddling, here's a link to the official report issued in January 2017.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._Elections.pdf

Contrary to the propaganda campaign being conducted by Mr. Trump and his enablers in the Congress, there is little evidence of FBI "bungling" in these investigations. Since I wrote the message you have quoted I have moved more towards believing that Mr. Trump is in fact an agent of the Russian government who is actively working to harm the United States.

Originally Posted by BigDickRichard

What is also not known is how many people economically compromised Hilary. All those donations from Russia and the Middle East weren’t for her foundation to bring clean drinking water to Haiti.

The man has lead a very public business life for decades, and there is no dirt on him. It’s not that it hasn’t been found, it’s that there is none.

The Clinton Foundation has been subject to multiple investigations with no evidence that Mrs. Clinton actually performed favors for donors while Secretary of State. I know that that is not what is reported in the right wing press, but it is the truth.

Did you miss the part where Trump admitted to bribing a Florida official during the campaign? How about the New Jersey bribery investigations Christie quashed for him? How about seeking to hire the opposing counsel away from plaintiffs during lawsuits? Did you notice that he settled the Trump university lawsuits? And just what is in those tax returns that he has gone to such great lengths to hide?

Any of us with any familiarity with real estate development in the Northeast knows that you cannot avoid doing business with organized crime there. It is not the only business affected, but certainly the most pervasive.

Originally Posted by BigDickRichard

And why does the Left think education is more important than intelligence? The secretary at our office who doesn’t know how to save a Word doc to PDF has 2 University degrees. She is more educated than I am, and yet I somehow manage to hold a far better position than her. In fact, everyone who works for me has more “education” than I do.

Far be it from me to say that a higher level of education necessarily correlates with intelligence. (Definition of "intellectual" - a person educated beyond their intellectual capacity.) I have known very bright and successful business people who never attended high school. I have known poorly educated gangsters who are extremely cunning and grasps the essentials very quickly. On the other hand, I have known quite a few wealthy people and highly placed business executives who really aren't all that bright.

Wealth or social position is not necessarily a good indication of intelligence. Most of the really smart people I know are really too engaged with learning to devote more than a minimal amount of attention and energy to making money. Very many are committed to helping others, educating the young, caring for the sick, spiritual matters, and other unselfish endeavors.

[HawkeyeBerlin]

This man is a danger to world peace

[jetpacksam]

Hopefully this is near And broadcast live except, of course, on Fox.

[BustyWomenLovr]

Originally Posted by jetpacksam

Hopefully this is near And broadcast live except, of course, on Fox.

That never gets old...