The new "tolerant" extreme left

[Roubignol]

I've got a question for all of you (right like left people).
What are your fears for the next generations?

Mine are quite simple : Environmental problems (global warming, overpopulation, massive pollution, destruction of biodiversities and ecosystems)

I'm not afraid by religions, because if we really manage to give a good education based on science to all the children, religions will maybe not disappear, but will have less fanatics.

I'm not afraid by unemployment, because our countries can create a new form of economy and money.... What means money? Money is one of the worst lie on this planet.

But... environmental problems are worrying my mind.
I, maybe arrogantly, would like to let a world as nice and interesting as I lived when I was a child. Sadly it seems to me that could be less and less the fact. We even maybe are on the border to extinct our own species in a near future.

For sure, if we react like extreme-right people by closing the doors, the problems will not be solved. If we react like the communists who don't really care about environmental problems and are more preoccupied by classes, the problems will not be solved too.
If we react like Wall Street traders we will be fucked soon.

That's my points of view.
And you surely know how ecologists want to resolve the problems.

Now are your fears like mine or different?
Don't you think that we could find together solutions of your fears?

[AmateurEmale]

I think that Britain's system of allowing injured parties to sue polluters is better than America's system of mostly EPA bureaucracy. I have a cousin who married someone who's an environmental consultant, and she thought that some of the bureaucracy was "crazy".

I'm more of a free market environmentalist, yet at the same time, I think that elements of the Green Party are correct. Humanity uses too much energy for transportation, power generation, etc. so we will have to find energy that doesn't contribute to climate change or resource depletion. My solutions to these eco-problems are more recycled products (to create a market for our weekly recyclables), nanotechnology, and Tesla energy (aka. "wireless electricity" and "free energy") I'm not into vegetarianism or veganism, though, because I see that Native Americans lived in harmony with the Earth for thousands of years, while still hunting and eating some meat.

The failure of America to generate a long-term plan to fix these problems is made worse by the Republican and Democratic Parties, who are mostly concerned with winning elections. Third parties like the Green Party (environmentalists and freethinkers) and Libertarian Party (free marketeers who still want pollution to be illegal and corporations to lose their special privileges) are the way of the future. Whereas, the Demopublicans want to conspire with each other to keep third parties off the ballot. I'd rather live in a political system more like Canada where several political parties share power, and I wonder how it could be done without having public financing of elections; we currently have federal matching funds for qualifying candidates.

These are just my thoughts to add to the above political statements.

[Faceman675]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Not at all. Don't you adapt your philosophy, when it's convenient to you?

No I don't change my views to make a point. This why you can't have a honest debate with a liberal, they will say anything when it is convenient to them. They have no core principles, they will say anything to further the cause. You do realize you just admitted to changing your views for political expedience.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Logically it's first arrived, first served. If there were no humans on a area, when they arrived, this free land was theirs.
If we want to be honest, American continent was not the land of our European ancestors. That's all.

I understand that you can't agree with this point of view. Because that must say that our ancestors were thieves... and that's not very bright. But it was the fact.

Wow!!!

You completely ignore human history. Borders have been changing for long before there was written history. They change for many reasons, armed conflict, purchases, ect. Your Natives argument only holds water if you IGNORE history. The Fact is the United States is a sovereign nation.

If you insist on calling us thieves are you going to apply the same standard to every time a border has changed through out history or does that only apply to the evil capitalist United States?

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Anyway, now what was done, is done.
But if actually there are people who must understand immigration, that would be little children of white European immigrants, who consider themselves as real American people.

Did you just admit that the US is a sovereign nation? "Now what was done, is done" Mighty nice of you to admit what the rest of us living in the real world have known for the last 241 years.

"Little Children"? Really do you have any idea how offensive that is? While we maybe a relatively young nation we are 241 years old. Our nation has changed, we have corrected injustices and though we are not perfect we are far from Little Children.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

I'm glad to see that the majority of the American people remember what really happened and are ready to open their borders. I'm only disappointed by the opposants, who are little children of invaders... oh sorry, immigrants.

Have you been in a cave the last 2 years. We just elected a President who ran and won impart on the promise to build a wall on our southern border. Yes I know $hillary won the popular vote but do you honestly believe All of her voters support open boarders?

Originally Posted by xyzde69

- Inequality of classes,

So conservatives believe in capitalism therefor we hold common ground with Islamists? WTF? Serrious? The whole idea of equality of the classes is a non starter to begin with. There has never been nor will there ever be "Equality of the Classes". This is nothing more than a liberal, leftists, Marxists, socialist, communist Utopian pipe dream. Site one time in history where there was anything close to equality amongst the classes?

Are the starving masses in North Korea of an equal class with Kim Jung-Un? Are the Cubans who risk life and limb to cross 90 miles of open ocean on homemade rafts of an equal class with the Castro brothers? I can go on and on. If equality of the classes is your goal it is never going to happen. An undeniable truth of life: Life is NOT Fair. There will always be the haves and have nots. Sorry to have to break it to you but most of us learned that at a much earlier age.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

- Inequality between genders (I was on suprematist websites, I saw suprematist videos, women are considered to be under the control of their husbands. Women are not really free. Even worse... I read that a raped woman has orgasms during the rape. I read that free women were one of the main reason, why our "white Occidental" culture was declining.)

I am assuming when you wrote suprematist you meant supremacist and I take it that you were referring to white supremacists. Even if I were to agree with calling white supremacists the extreme right ( I don't )nothing you described seeing in these videos comes anywhere close to the way women are treated under Sharia Law.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

- Sexual discrimination against transgenders, homosexuals and other non heterosexual people.

Again nothing from the right remotely compares to the death sentence that Sharia law imposes on LGBTs.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

- Religion (Integrist christianity instead of Islam)

Integrist? No idea what you meant here but you do realize the right, conservatism is far from exclusive to Christianity and that there are conservatives of all faiths.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

- Inequality of treatment between races.

Not worth dignifying with a reply.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

- contempt for other species.

WTF? That makes no sense at all.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

In fact extreme-right Occidental people are exactly the same as the fanatics Islamists.
What are the main differences? Islamists are a little bit more believers in their doctrine. Maybe because they are less educated.
More you get a good education based on sciences and general knowledges, less you believe in a radical religion.
And they don't really believe in the same way in their similar God.

I am sorry but I am having a hard time following you but what was clear was the first sentence.Exactly the Same? Really? So please enlighten us, how many people have been killed by right wing suicide bombers? How many Gay night clubs have been shot up in the name of right wing conservatism? How many times in the recent past have right wing conservatives mowed down pedestrians with trucks? How many pop concerts have been targeted by right wing conservatives?

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by ultimatewarlord

When people protest against illegal immigration they protest against the illegal part. When the lefties see this they don't take in the word illegal and focus on the word immigration, therefore proclaiming racism.

And that is where the left damage themselves, for those that dare to wake up.

I ain't gonna use the immigration thing, but we know I like immigration, just not illegal and won't be selective.

Nope, I'll take this elsewhere, Gay Marriage. Right here right now in Oz it's an issue, out idiot parliament have been turning the issue into a political football for their own gains.

I've a very close life long Mate who's Gay, If you met him you'd never know he's Gay, none of the usual Gay stereotypes fit him, apart from being a little to clean He isn't the typical Marriage equality activists, in fact he takes, like me, the I don't care approach. If it came down to a referendum on the issue here he'd vote for it and he knows that it makes no difference to me and though I'd more than likely vote against it ( I'm Catholic ) it has never and never will damage our mateship, one that goes back to since we didn't even know what sex was.

Then comes this, I have been called a homophobe just because I've said I probably will vote against it .... by typical leftists. Now how the hell am I a homophobe when I haven't abandoned a Mate who's Gay and one who accepts my opinion of I don't really care attitude

That's the kind of thing that has turned me away from the left to an extent over the years, they're way to quick to label anyone something if you're not on their side ..... Oh, I've also been called a climate change denier

But a racist, never

[Nobody1]

Originally Posted by Faceman675

If equality of the classes is your goal it is never going to happen. An undeniable truth of life: Life is NOT Fair. There will always be the haves and have nots. Sorry to have to break it to you but most of us learned that at a much earlier age.

Oh, well – all right! You've convinced me. Let's just all sell our souls and work for Satan cause it's more convenient that way! I have a question, do you belong to the 1%, or the 99%? Or in other words, do you belong to the haves or have nots?

A few words on the subject that will be quickly forgotten.

The main target of true left-wing politics is a balancing social justice, not a theoretical equality of classes, which admittedly represents an unattainable pie in the sky.

True left-wing politics is about the real evil, which identifies itself as the ever widening wealth gap that increasingly divides capitalist societies by blindly following a set pattern to a point at which the accumulated social and material injustice unloads with destructive force. There is a different definition of the 'haves and have nots' under a well oiled Guillotine, you know. I'm sure you learned that from history as well.

But it's quite questionable whether this is possible under the current circumstances, within an economic order that basically corresponds to a Ponzi scheme. Of course there are always those who will defend this Ponzi scheme with all their might, only from my cold dead hands so to speak, but, in the end it's always just a couple dozen haves + their evil sidekicks among a few million have nots. Or approximately 1%. Which is quite manageable.

Btw, the biggest environmental problems are war and poverty. Everything else is just part of the resulting causation chain. If we want to change something, it is not sufficient to fight symptoms.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

What are your fears for the next generations?

The complete and utter brainlessness brought on by social media

That I'm actually serious about, people, especially the young take to facebook or twitter and read carp on there like it's gospel

[BondJmsBond]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

The complete and utter brainlessness brought on by social media

That I'm actually serious about, people, especially the young take to facebook or twitter and read carp on there like it's gospel

This is a clear and present danger as virtual reality Trumps actual reality. (see what I did there - Trumps?)

My mother, bless her 85-year-old heart, is enmeshed in social media's predecessor - television. Many times I've had to listen to opinions which have become vehemently hers; somehow translated into concrete facts, brought to her by CNN and The View.

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

especially the young take to facebook or twitter and read carp on there like it's gospel

And develop crappal tunnel syndrome

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

And that...... a racist, never

Are the left Australians like the "left" Democrat Americans?
Huge liberals in economy like we consider "left" Democrat Americans in Europe or are they Socialist/Marxist like in Europe?

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

The complete and utter brainlessness brought on by social media

That I'm actually serious about, people, especially the young take to facebook or twitter and read carp on there like it's gospel

To resolve 90% of the social problems on this planet, we need to have a good public school that deliver an quality education based on science and altruism to all the children in every countries in the world.

If you don't get any knowlegdes about how to solve a problem, how to analyse an information, then you are the perfect prey to "rotten" leaders.