Things Noticeable this week - Page 3025

**Devius** · July 1st, 2017, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by seany65

Can I just point out that a 'populist' is just someone who wishes to represent the interests of the majority of people. They ain't right-wing fanatics.

'Populism' is not fascism, racism, or other fanatical right-wing stuff.

It's just something that the majority of political parties say they aspire to: representing the inetrests of the majority of the people in their country.

Quite true - we could equally end uo with a populist left-wing government, with an outlook similar to Greece's Syriza and Span's Podemos.

i was attempting to recall the below post by Mr chunt, after watching this week's antics in the House of Commons that seemed more in keeping with the plot of a "Carry On" film:

http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...ostcount=30910

**mizlaplan** · July 2nd, 2017, 12:19 AM

Democracy doesn't exist.
If it did then every single time there was a vote on anything in Parliament, tens of millions of eligible folks would have to down tools, read up on the motion before them, and make an informed choice.
Every single time

It's not workable so we used to content ourselves with a bastardised republican system where we "allowed" the Conservative, Labour and Liberal "Elites" to shape everything.
Brexit was the first sign of this Political method breaking down.
"Populism" is about normal, ordinary, intelligent folk finally finding a way to give deserving politicians a good kick in the cobblers.

**Puhbear69** · July 2nd, 2017, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by palo5

Interesting you should mention "hate content" and "killing people". Very interesting, actually

From Genesis it's only a few pages to the Book of Leviticus, which gives laws of the chosen people. In Lev 20:13 is states that men engaging in homosexual sodomy are committing "an abomination" and "they shall be put to death". Not even Rabbis deny it.

[...]

Well, there are a lot of deeply conservative states - like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran ect. - who seems to aren't needing such invocations of killing homosexual persons, or governmental persecution, to fulfil such cases of the Book IMHO.

However, it appends of who are following such statements of the Bible, Koran or obligations of the society, who are "living" it nowadays.

Nevertheless, such invocations are used nowadays (= fulfilled with life) are illegal now in Germany.

**vinceprince** · July 2nd, 2017, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by seany65

Can I just point out that a 'populist' is just someone who wishes to represent the interests of the majority of people. They ain't right-wing fanatics.

'Populism' is not fascism, racism, or other fanatical right-wing stuff.

It's just something that the majority of political parties say they aspire to: representing the inetrests of the majority of the people in their country.

Indeed looking at the popular vote 'populism' is not right wing or even right of centre in the UK.

2017 election
Lab 40 + Lib Dem 7.4 + SNP 3 + Green 1.6 + Other left of centre 2 = 54%

**palo5** · July 2nd, 2017, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Puhbear69

Well, there are a lot of deeply conservative states - like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran ect. - who seems to aren't needing such invocations of killing homosexual persons...

Oh, well you would like Russia's development, because homosexuality was legalized there before it was in the West, including in Germany. I guess you didn't know that

What you've been hearing recently about Russia is gross misrepresentation. It has to do with a Russian law that forbids publicizing non-traditional sex practices to minors, and I agree with it 100%

For your information, the law does not mention homosexuality. And you can be as gay as you want in Russia, because there's no law against it. But don't propagandize it to minors, or you're asking for trouble

**palo5** · July 2nd, 2017, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by vinceprince

Indeed looking at the popular vote 'populism' is not right wing or even right of centre in the UK.

How about the people who don't vote because they know their vote doesn't count?

**anothercustom** · July 2nd, 2017, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

Oh, well you would like Russia's development, because homosexuality was legalized there before it was in the West, including in Germany. I guess you didn't know that

Could you be more specific when you mention the "West"? Homosexuality was decriminalised in Russia in 1993.

**Brecht** · July 2nd, 2017, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

Oh, well you would like Russia's development, because homosexuality was legalized there before it was in the West, including in Germany. I guess you didn't know that

What you've been hearing recently about Russia is gross misrepresentation. It has to do with a Russian law that forbids publicizing non-traditional sex practices to minors, and I agree with it 100%

For your information, the law does not mention homosexuality. And you can be as gay as you want in Russia, because there's no law against it. But don't propagandize it to minors, or you're asking for trouble

Yeah but what counts as "gay propaganda" is open to interpretation. Homosexuality was decriminalized by the Bolsheviks in December 1917, making Russia and the Ukraine the first countries in the world to do so. But the Bolsheviks haven't been in power since Stalin took over. He declared male homosexuality illegal in 1933. How can this be explained? I think that the tolerant attitude of the Bolsheviks (I'm talking about the avantgarde with and around Lenin) toward homosexuality was never accepted by the population, at least not in the first few decades when Russia was still struggling to industrialize and modernize itself. Stalin understood that and reversed the law that legalized (male) homosexuality for tactical reasons. But it wouldn't surprise me if he shared the same views as the majority.

I agree that singling out Russia when it comes to the issue of homophobia is just anti-Russian propaganda spewed by our corporate media and their friends in the military-industrial complex. Gays have become a tool for propaganda and warmongering. The Western establishment doesn't give a damn about homosexuals in Russia or wherever else they lament "human rights abuses". The same people are best pals with the ruling circles in Saudi Arabia. You think homophobia in Russia is bad? Try Saudi Arabia.

And just to state some facts: homosexuals are not persecuted in Russia. No one is going to jail because of his sexuality. It's just that "gay propaganda" law or whatever it's called that is questionable in a supposed democracy.

**Devius** · July 2nd, 2017, 12:18 PM

The Official Singles Chart is getting a structural shake up. Starting from July, artists will be allowed only three of their most popular tracks in the top 100, to prevent music’s heavyweight acts dominating the majority of the charts.

According to the Official Charts Company, the changes are designed to “ensure the chart continues to be a showcase for the new hits and talent which are the lifeblood of UK music”. The aim is to support new talent progressing up the chart, without potential hits being inhibited by older tracks or album tracks by big-name artists. The rule adjustments are expected to boost the number of new chart tracks by about 10%.

With music fans often now streaming records in full on repeat, including the likes of Ed Sheeran – whose 2017 album ÷ propelled 16 songs into the Top 20 singles chart – it has become increasingly difficult for newer talent to break through . Drake, Stormzy, the Weeknd, Little Mix and Kendrick Lamar have similarly overshadowed the singles charts on the week of their album releases, with multiple songs featured in the top 40.

There will also be a change in the streaming ratio for older tracks that are past their peak and in “steep, prolonged decline” to make space for newer releases.

The tweaks – prompted by seismic changes in the wake of the boom of streaming and its subsequent impact on the charts – have been agreed in consultation with record labels, retailers and digital music services across the major and independent industry sectors.

Source:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...sheeran-effect

As someone has commented in The Guardian, it's not really a chart if one starts manipulating the numbers to get rid of unwelcome results.

But in all honesty, is the Singles chart still relevant in this day and age?

**palo5** · July 2nd, 2017, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brecht

And just to state some facts: homosexuals are not persecuted in Russia. No one is going to jail because of his sexuality. It's just that "gay propaganda" law or whatever it's called that is questionable in a supposed democracy.

"Gay propaganda law" is how they style it in the west. But as you know, it's a youth protection measure, and there are the best of reasons not to expose youth to fringe sexual practices of any kind. They can do what they want when they're 18. No one will stop them if they do it in private. Do you seriously disagree with that?

Good that you mention democracy -- over 80% of Russians agree with the law

Good that you mention "supposed democracy" too. Did Trump win or lose his election by getting 3,000,000 votes less than his rival. And is the Maybot still in power although she's behind by even more?

Putin, on the other hand, has an approval rating over 80%

July 2nd, 2017, 12:19 AM	#30242
mizlaplan Good show! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Marches Posts: 2,526 Thanks: 102,981 Thanked 31,900 Times in 2,528 Posts	Democracy doesn't exist. If it did then every single time there was a vote on anything in Parliament, tens of millions of eligible folks would have to down tools, read up on the motion before them, and make an informed choice. Every single time It's not workable so we used to content ourselves with a bastardised republican system where we "allowed" the Conservative, Labour and Liberal "Elites" to shape everything. Brexit was the first sign of this Political method breaking down. "Populism" is about normal, ordinary, intelligent folk finally finding a way to give deserving politicians a good kick in the cobblers. __________________ motley crew though they were, they were all happily united in the roisterous, bawdy camaraderie of lust.

July 2nd, 2017, 12:18 PM	#30249
Devius Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's a London Thing.... Posts: 23,518 Thanks: 142,141 Thanked 228,390 Times in 23,553 Posts	Official Charts Company shakes up rules to stop the Ed Sheeran effect The Official Singles Chart is getting a structural shake up. Starting from July, artists will be allowed only three of their most popular tracks in the top 100, to prevent music’s heavyweight acts dominating the majority of the charts. According to the Official Charts Company, the changes are designed to “ensure the chart continues to be a showcase for the new hits and talent which are the lifeblood of UK music”. The aim is to support new talent progressing up the chart, without potential hits being inhibited by older tracks or album tracks by big-name artists. The rule adjustments are expected to boost the number of new chart tracks by about 10%. With music fans often now streaming records in full on repeat, including the likes of Ed Sheeran – whose 2017 album ÷ propelled 16 songs into the Top 20 singles chart – it has become increasingly difficult for newer talent to break through . Drake, Stormzy, the Weeknd, Little Mix and Kendrick Lamar have similarly overshadowed the singles charts on the week of their album releases, with multiple songs featured in the top 40. There will also be a change in the streaming ratio for older tracks that are past their peak and in “steep, prolonged decline” to make space for newer releases. The tweaks – prompted by seismic changes in the wake of the boom of streaming and its subsequent impact on the charts – have been agreed in consultation with record labels, retailers and digital music services across the major and independent industry sectors. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...sheeran-effect As someone has commented in The Guardian, it's not really a chart if one starts manipulating the numbers to get rid of unwelcome results. But in all honesty, is the Singles chart still relevant in this day and age? __________________ "I've had it with them, I've had it with you, I've had it with ALL THIS - I WANT ROOM SERVICE!* I want the club sandwich, I want the cold Mexican beer, I want a $10,000-a-night hooker!"* Johnny Mnemonic (1995)