Conspiracies

Estreeter · April 13th, 2011, 11:45 AM

Conspiracies

Yep, Conspiracies.
They happen; it would be a bit naive to think they have never happen. I watch the History Channel a fair bit and some of the documentaries on there make me wonder at times. Are we controlled by greedy and power hungry individuals, are there secrets kept from the public for our own good?
We all know some of the big ones, like

Did Lee Harvey act alone?

And no, it wasn’t a mob hit, I should know

Roswell, New Mexico?

Are these dudes real?

What happened to the left over pizza I was gonna have for breakfast?

I’m sure some of us are intrigued and would like too know the truth about certain world events and the shaping, maybe even the controlling of our history. Do we already know the truth and conspiracies are made up by some with nothing better to do than research the internet eating cheese and bacon balls all day long?

Over to you, Thoughts ? Ideas ? Donations

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**palo5** · April 13th, 2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Estreeter

...are there secrets kept from the public for our own good?

Secrets are kept from the public for the government's good, not the public's

Even when all the actors are dead, there are things you're not allowed to know. Didn't you know you're not allowed to know?

You should have grown up in Russia, then you'd know everything about not knowing

**billybunter** · April 13th, 2011, 02:40 PM

This is a subject I could write a book about. But you can offend people very easily. So anything I type is NOT meant to offend. I don't believe man went to the moon. 9/11 was an inside job; nobody flies planes into skyscrapers in New York and get's away with it.
Why is there no picture of the "moon rover" left behind? We have aparatas that can gaze on distant galaxies. But not one photo of the moon landing gear. I think i've made my point.

**shodan2011** · April 13th, 2011, 02:59 PM

First of all, I'm quite happy to be called a conspiracy nut (or Conspiraloon

). There have been plenty of them over the years that have involved government agencies breaking the law - MKULTRA, Iran/Contra, the biological weapons testing on British soldiers at Porton Down and so on. So it's a little naive to believe that government agencies aren't still getting up to "questionable" activities.

This is my main area of interest:

JFK was NOT killed by Lee Harvey Oswald

The Warren Commission was compromised from the start by the appointment of Allen Dulles (former Director of the CIA and a man who loathed Kennedy when Kennedy fired him after the Bay of Pigs) and John McCloy (an odious little man who was all in favour of rounding up Japanese American citizens during the Second World War and putting them in what was essentially concentration camps). It was later revealed that Gerald Ford was secretly passing information to the FBI on what the Commission was getting up to. Hale Boggs and Richard Russell both refused to sign the Commission's report because they thought the "Single Bullet Theory" was garbage.

There's too much to go into here, but I recommend "Breach of Trust" by Prof. Gerald McKnight, which is about the Warren Commission and why it was nonsense.

The JFK assassination didn't occur in a vacuum; he made a lot of enemies during his time as president. Big oil men, the Steel industry, the Mafia (yes, even the mafia estreeter

), people in the CIA, the anti-Castro Cubans, people inside the Pentagon (mainly members of the Joint Chiefs), the Military Industrial Complex - they all ended up hating Kennedy. Any one of them could have been responsible.

**elton dong** · April 13th, 2011, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybunter

I don't believe man went to the moon.

The presence of reflectors on the Moon has been used to rebut claims that the Apollo landings were faked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_L...ing_experiment

**rotobott** · April 13th, 2011, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybunter

Why is there no picture of the "moon rover" left behind? We have aparatas that can gaze on distant galaxies. But not one photo of the moon landing gear. I think i've made my point.

And why haven't we photographed them? There are six landing sites scattered across the Moon. They always face Earth, always in plain view. Surely the Hubble Space Telescope could photograph the rovers and other things astronauts left behind. Right?

Wrong. Not even Hubble can do it. The Moon is 384,400 km away. At that distance, the smallest things Hubble can distinguish are about 60 meters wide. The biggest piece of left-behind Apollo equipment is only 9 meters across and thus smaller than a single pixel in a Hubble image.

**theequestrian** · April 13th, 2011, 03:29 PM

ALL organized religions conspire in the attempt to convince the superstitious, downtrodden, gullible, ignorant and disenfranchised into blindly following the edicts of a non-existant Uberbeing(s). The fact that said Uberbeing(s) is always in need of money and whoose management philosophy can be charitably termed 'laissez faire' is more than made up for by the spurious guarantee that by treading the path and never questioning they will gain access to the non-existant deitys' non-existant playground.

**tygrkhat40** · April 13th, 2011, 03:40 PM

I don't believe in conspiracies for the simple reason is that if the "truth" is being supressed, too many people have to know the "truth" for the "truth" not to have been told.

Benjamin Franklin said, "Three people can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

**ubu_roi** · April 13th, 2011, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybunter

Why is there no picture of the "moon rover" left behind?

Well, it's not the rover, but the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter took a picture of Tranquility Base in 2009.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/scienceands...lity-base.html

**billybunter** · April 13th, 2011, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubu_roi

Well, it's not the rover, but the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter took a picture of Tranquility Base in 2009.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/scienceands...lity-base.html

Why has "man" not been back to the moon? Why did Russia not go? Because "man" never set foot on the moon. The Van Allen belts would kill a human. The Russian's knew this and never bothered with the movie. Apollo rockets were wafer thin. They had to be to blast into orbit.

April 13th, 2011, 11:45 AM	#1
Estreeter *Administrator* Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The 19th hole Posts: 58,118 Thanks: 449,720 Thanked 896,778 Times in 60,317 Posts	Conspiracies Conspiracies Yep, Conspiracies. They happen; it would be a bit naive to think they have never happen. I watch the History Channel a fair bit and some of the documentaries on there make me wonder at times. Are we controlled by greedy and power hungry individuals, are there secrets kept from the public for our own good? We all know some of the big ones, like Did Lee Harvey act alone? And no, it wasn’t a mob hit, I should know Roswell, New Mexico? Are these dudes real? What happened to the left over pizza I was gonna have for breakfast? I’m sure some of us are intrigued and would like too know the truth about certain world events and the shaping, maybe even the controlling of our history. Do we already know the truth and conspiracies are made up by some with nothing better to do than research the internet eating cheese and bacon balls all day long? Over to you, Thoughts ? Ideas ? Donations Note, We had a successful thread like this a few years back, but was removed due too a very few ruining it for most, so please behave and make the Mods jobs easy __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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billybunter R.I.P. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Gone But Not Forgotten Posts: 14,404 Thanks: 51,687 Thanked 252,372 Times in 14,171 Posts	This is a subject I could write a book about. But you can offend people very easily. So anything I type is NOT meant to offend. I don't believe man went to the moon. 9/11 was an inside job; nobody flies planes into skyscrapers in New York and get's away with it. Why is there no picture of the "moon rover" left behind? We have aparatas that can gaze on distant galaxies. But not one photo of the moon landing gear. I think i've made my point. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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theequestrian Vintage Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: A hop, skip & a jump from Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 4,807 Thanked 11,707 Times in 1,156 Posts	ALL organized religions conspire in the attempt to convince the superstitious, downtrodden, gullible, ignorant and disenfranchised into blindly following the edicts of a non-existant Uberbeing(s). The fact that said Uberbeing(s) is always in need of money and whoose management philosophy can be charitably termed 'laissez faire' is more than made up for by the spurious guarantee that by treading the path and never questioning they will gain access to the non-existant deitys' non-existant playground. __________________ 'If we could read each others minds, we'd all sleep with loaded guns' -theequestrian Last edited by theequestrian; April 15th, 2011 at 02:59 PM.. Reason: pluaralizing 'Uberbeing' to cover ALL religions

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April 13th, 2011, 02:59 PM	#4
shodan2011 Vintage Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: The Wild, Wild West Midlands Posts: 1,262 Thanks: 13,615 Thanked 20,210 Times in 1,279 Posts	First of all, I'm quite happy to be called a conspiracy nut (or Conspiraloon ). There have been plenty of them over the years that have involved government agencies breaking the law - MKULTRA, Iran/Contra, the biological weapons testing on British soldiers at Porton Down and so on. So it's a little naive to believe that government agencies aren't still getting up to "questionable" activities. This is my main area of interest: JFK was NOT killed by Lee Harvey Oswald The Warren Commission was compromised from the start by the appointment of Allen Dulles (former Director of the CIA and a man who loathed Kennedy when Kennedy fired him after the Bay of Pigs) and John McCloy (an odious little man who was all in favour of rounding up Japanese American citizens during the Second World War and putting them in what was essentially concentration camps). It was later revealed that Gerald Ford was secretly passing information to the FBI on what the Commission was getting up to. Hale Boggs and Richard Russell both refused to sign the Commission's report because they thought the "Single Bullet Theory" was garbage. There's too much to go into here, but I recommend "Breach of Trust" by Prof. Gerald McKnight, which is about the Warren Commission and why it was nonsense. The JFK assassination didn't occur in a vacuum; he made a lot of enemies during his time as president. Big oil men, the Steel industry, the Mafia (yes, even the mafia estreeter ), people in the CIA, the anti-Castro Cubans, people inside the Pentagon (mainly members of the Joint Chiefs), the Military Industrial Complex - they all ended up hating Kennedy. Any one of them could have been responsible.

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tygrkhat40 Long Suffering Bills Fan Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The City of Good Neighbors Posts: 9,669 Thanks: 304,243 Thanked 152,434 Times in 9,629 Posts	I don't believe in conspiracies for the simple reason is that if the "truth" is being supressed, too many people have to know the "truth" for the "truth" not to have been told. Benjamin Franklin said, "Three people can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."