The Cycling Thread - Page 61

schniposa · July 4th, 2017, 08:20 PM

I'm sorry, Sir. The elbow wasn't the reason for Cav's falling.

Here he is leaning on Sagan:

Here he starts falling, while Sagan's arm is not out:

Here is Sagan's arm out, but Cav is gone long ago...

**cicciobuki** · July 4th, 2017, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pierrelm

Such a shame; I think throwing Sagan out is an over-reaction (and Cavendish is my favourite rider). Sagan's elbow was deliberate, stupid and unecessary but I think Chris Boardman got the summary right on ITV4. Sagan wasn't the only one veering dangerously, but he did throw that elbow. Cavendish behaved with commendable restraint, spoke very well but looked like a man who wants to ride tomorrow but knows that the odds are heavily against that happening. I think that's his tour finished, which, with Sagan leaving, will be a tremendous loss to the entertainment value this year.
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I think the elbow was more a balancing reflex.

Therefor i think disqualifying Sagan was a bit too much of a punishment. Taking away all the points and time should have been sufficient. But i can see how it's not an easy decision for the jury.

Shouldn't the jury consult a bunch of sprinters to look at the footage?

**mizlaplan** · July 5th, 2017, 07:02 AM

Cavendish is out with a broken shoulder.
A great shame.
Two top riders gone.
Have to admit, I've looked at the crash footage several times and sometimes I thought it's outrageous conduct by Sagan, other times I thought Sagan just didn't see him, but the more I see it, the more I'm convinced Cav was trying to bike into a space which just wasn't there

**mizlaplan** · July 8th, 2017, 11:36 PM

Wow!
On paper todays racing was boring with the top 10 classification being Skytrained (pat. pending

)
Todays racing was instead all about Lilian Calmejane from Direct Énergie fending off Robert Gesink, despite getting cramp towards the end.
Great cycling from the Frenchman, hope he resists the cash and stays with his Direct team

On a separate note, it's been great watching Imlach and Boardman on ITV4.
They're almost as good as Murray Walker and James Hunt

**countjimmoriarty** · July 9th, 2017, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizlaplan

Wow!
On paper todays racing was boring with the top 10 classification being Skytrained (pat. pending

)
Todays racing was instead all about Lilian Calmejane from Direct Énergie fending off Robert Gesink, despite getting cramp towards the end.
Great cycling from the Frenchman, hope he resists the cash and stays with his Direct team

On a separate note, it's been great watching Imlach and Boardman on ITV4.
They're almost as good as Murray Walker and James Hunt

Really? Boring? Today was never going to be boring. Just the sort of day where everyone with stage winning ambitions would want to be in the breakaway - and so it proved. Groups forming and collapsing, multiple attempts to get away. Great stuff. You've got to look deeper than just the GC race.

Gary and Chris are always good value. Walker and Hunt had the disadvantage of having to talk about the most tedious 'sport' known to man (with the possible exception of golf).

**footstep** · July 9th, 2017, 06:39 AM

Today , 1st Hell stage! Shakespeare would have love their dramaturgy!

**rupertramjet** · July 9th, 2017, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by countjimmoriarty

Gary and Chris are always good value. Walker and Hunt had the disadvantage of having to talk about the most tedious 'sport' known to man (with the possible exception of golf).

There really is no comparison! The convoy system adopted by formula one, can never happen in cycling! Please God! Fromme is in yellow, but he is not safely in yellow to Paris, and we all know that, we know there can be shocks, surprises and human error, Gerriant Thomas came off the road yesterday, it could have been serious, today's 'hell stage' as footstep so aptly puts it, can make a huger difference, could it blow the GC apart? The polka dot changes daily, there is a real challenge for once for the green, this year looks like being an absolute classic race!

That can never happen with F1!

**footstep** · July 9th, 2017, 03:10 PM

Sad. Richie Porte. I hope it's not bad as it looks like.
Great stage whatever. Uran , Bargui., Froome podium.

**footstep** · July 9th, 2017, 03:14 PM

Tedious sports????
People talk this way, never made any sport , NO?

**Athanatophobos** · July 9th, 2017, 03:44 PM

What a stage!

I'm disappointed for Barguil and Bardet.

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July 5th, 2017, 07:02 AM	#603
mizlaplan Good show! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Marches Posts: 2,526 Thanks: 102,981 Thanked 31,897 Times in 2,528 Posts	Cavendish is out with a broken shoulder. A great shame. Two top riders gone. Have to admit, I've looked at the crash footage several times and sometimes I thought it's outrageous conduct by Sagan, other times I thought Sagan just didn't see him, but the more I see it, the more I'm convinced Cav was trying to bike into a space which just wasn't there __________________ motley crew though they were, they were all happily united in the roisterous, bawdy camaraderie of lust.

July 8th, 2017, 11:36 PM	#604
mizlaplan Good show! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Marches Posts: 2,526 Thanks: 102,981 Thanked 31,897 Times in 2,528 Posts	Wow! On paper todays racing was boring with the top 10 classification being Skytrained (pat. pending ) Todays racing was instead all about Lilian Calmejane from Direct Énergie fending off Robert Gesink, despite getting cramp towards the end. Great cycling from the Frenchman, hope he resists the cash and stays with his Direct team On a separate note, it's been great watching Imlach and Boardman on ITV4. They're almost as good as Murray Walker and James Hunt __________________ motley crew though they were, they were all happily united in the roisterous, bawdy camaraderie of lust.

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July 4th, 2017, 08:20 PM	#601
schniposa Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 76 Thanks: 3,049 Thanked 4,078 Times in 105 Posts	I'm sorry, Sir. The elbow wasn't the reason for Cav's falling. Here he is leaning on Sagan: Here he starts falling, while Sagan's arm is not out: Here is Sagan's arm out, but Cav is gone long ago...

July 9th, 2017, 06:39 AM	#606
footstep Lost luggages? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: France Posts: 7,268 Thanks: 92,097 Thanked 86,747 Times in 7,170 Posts	Today , 1st Hell stage! Shakespeare would have love their dramaturgy!

July 9th, 2017, 03:10 PM	#608
footstep Lost luggages? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: France Posts: 7,268 Thanks: 92,097 Thanked 86,747 Times in 7,170 Posts	Sad. Richie Porte. I hope it's not bad as it looks like. Great stage whatever. Uran , Bargui., Froome podium.

July 9th, 2017, 03:14 PM	#609
footstep Lost luggages? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: France Posts: 7,268 Thanks: 92,097 Thanked 86,747 Times in 7,170 Posts	Tedious sports???? People talk this way, never made any sport , NO?

July 9th, 2017, 03:44 PM	#610
Athanatophobos Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,877 Thanks: 42,835 Thanked 130,194 Times in 6,985 Posts	What a stage! I'm disappointed for Barguil and Bardet.