General Election 8 June

[sparky10]

Originally Posted by bloke57

Well it certainly scares me.

I co-own the house with my mum - so I can foresee a future where I will have sacrificed a large part of my time and income to care for her only to be penalised should she eventually need care that I cannot provide. So are the tories going to steal half my house after I have saved them thousands in care costs over the years? GRRR!

There don't seem to be any details of what happens in this situation but you can be assured I won't be voting for Mrs May(be).

I was here 21 years ago when my father sadly had to move to a nursing home. The house was joint ownership with my father. At one point I was told I would either need to take out a mortgage on 50% or otherwise provide the funds. It became a test case partly due to the wording of the deeds - the solicitor had clearly thought of this situation even though the rules were different when the deeds were written 8 years earlier. The local council / social services decided they had no claim on the house expecting national social security to apply their decision. However they did not but too late as funding had been agreed so the local council had to also pay what they expected the national funding to pay.
I considered myself very lucky. Had dad known what was going on he would have exploded as back in 1948 (?) when NHS funded by National Insurance was formed it was to ' provide full care from the cradle to the grave. '

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

That Genie is well out of the bottle, it will be interesting to see what Jezzer suggests as his plan B, I feel he is too soft in his views on scum who don't share our values.

If you understand the Manchester as a retaliation and not an attack you will see that he is probably correct. Looking at these actions in a vacuum, without taking into account any of the actions that precede it will have you picking up body parts for at least the next decade.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

If you understand the Manchester as a retaliation and not an attack you will see that he is probably correct. Looking at these actions in a vacuum, without taking into account any of the actions that precede it will have you picking up body parts for at least the next decade.

I respectfully disagree it was not retaliation, it was a deliberate planned attack on the most defenceless part of our society and was just pure unadulterated evil. It shames Islam that the likes of Daesh can use a so-called Holy book to justify a litany of barbaric crimes.
There is absolutely no common ground with vile scum like that, they are devoid of any humanity. Look at the lack of retaliation by British public against these evil shitheads, are we killing their children?, are we destroying their mosques? No, there have probably been a few local exchanges and some minor incidents like words spoken or written that those ultra PC loonies gather under "hate crimes"
The problem frankly is Islam itself, it's a perverse belief based on a pile of lies using a Holy book that is filled with hatred & venom. Thankfully most Muslims live by the more reasonable parts of that book but it is so badly written that almost any crime can be justified in its pages.
For too long we allowed venomous hatemongers like Abu Qatada and Abu Hamza al-Masri to stay here spreading their poison. They should have been deported when they first started preaching their loathsome beliefs. We have been far too lenient and it is time our legal system started to concentrate on protecting the public and fuck any badly perceived rights these hatemongers or their legal parasites think they have.
Rights should never be separated from responsibilities, if you cannot live responsibly you don't deserve any rights.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

There is absolutely no common ground with vile scum like that, they are devoid of any humanity. Look at the lack of retaliation by British public against these evil shitheads, are we killing their children?, are we destroying their mosques? No, there have probably been a few local exchanges and some minor incidents like words spoken or written that those ultra PC loonies gather under "hate crimes"

As if by magic
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-40064424

A bomb threat, racist taunts and graffiti are among a significant rise in hate crimes reported to Greater Manchester Police following Monday's attack, the BBC can reveal.
The force said the number of such reports had doubled to 56 on Wednesday, from the 28 reported on Monday.
Chief Constable Ian Hopkins said the force was "monitoring" the situation.

Well ferk me Ian (no doubt soon to be Sir Ian ), frankly old chap after that vile incident I think a few people letting off their anger in the form of graffiti or insults is the least you numpties should have expected what sort of vacuum are these PC (pun intended) idiots living in???

A person was approached in a supermarket and told "shame on you for....what you did last night"

Wow!!!! that's a hate crime ????

[scoundrel]

Britain and the British people are not in the slightest responsible for the sickening hate crime in Manchester. Our foreign policy in the Middle East should indeed change, simply to be independent of American policy, because the American government is neither well informed nor capable of adopting and maintaining a consistent strategy. We ourselves are much better informed than the American government and we should adopt a consistent strategy of our own, which the American side can support or disagree with as they choose.

But there is no relationship between this and the sickness of Islamo-Fascism. Nothing Britain does in the Middle East or doesn''t do will affect the evil desire of these scum to attack our kids. If is extremely offensive from Mr Corbyn to suggest otherwise and I agree with those, even the egregious Tim Farron, who point out what a cheap tactic this is. However, it is exactly what I would have expected from Jeremy Corbyn.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

Look at the lack of retaliation by British public against these evil shitheads, are we killing their children?, are we destroying their mosques?

OK the bomber was from Libya and David Cameron back in 2011did send the military over to Libya in what ended up being a regime change which helped started up ISIS right? These attacks do not happen in a vacuum you have to take into account the preceding events. I noticed Mrs May could not say Jermyn was lying, just that there is never any excuse for terrorism. She knows what he said is true, she just does not want to admit it.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

OK the bomber was from Libya and David Cameron back in 2011did send the military over to Libya in what ended up being a regime change which helped started up ISIS right? These attacks do not happen in a vacuum you have to take into account the preceding events. I noticed Mrs May could not say Jermyn was lying, just that there is never any excuse for terrorism. She knows what he said is true, she just does not want to admit it.

Hmm

This cause and effect logic is spurious. All of the interventions (and I agree that most of them were stupid and counter-productive) happened after the rise of Islamo-Fascist terrorist groups. 9-11 was before any of this. So this idea that we will solve the problem by making overtures of niceness to a bunch of people who hate us cuts no ice with me. I say lets stamp on their bollocks instead.

My opinion of the Conservative Party really hasn't changed: I think they are contemptible. Their intent to scrap free school meals in infant schools and to make the crudest imaginable grab for the after-tax assets earned by good citizens over a lifetime speaks to me of people who I would not cross the street to piss on if they were on fire. Charging social care against the home? That home was bought from after-tax earnings. They have already had their cut. This is not tax: this is stealing.

I feel forced to vote Conservative this one time to make sure Brexit is delivered, no matter how hard or soft it is. But pansy-minded crap such as this, feeling angst and guilty because scum hates us and wants to bomb our kids, speaks eloquently to me of people who are unfit to run a sweet shop. Vote Labour? I would rather pan fry my own genitalia.

[Mal Hombre]

It'd be better if the stamping were done by neighbouring Islamic countries,Perhaps the Saudis could stop killing civilians in Yemen and maybe use all those Abrams tanks on IS instead of unarmed protestors.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

It'd be better if the stamping were done by neighbouring Islamic countries,Perhaps the Saudis could stop killing civilians in Yemen and maybe use all those Abrams tanks on IS instead of unarmed protestors.

You can almost see a Planet of The Apes mentality here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgwW8_ywPGk
There is so much bullshit talked about the relationship between the West and Islam but the fact is that by far the vast majority of Muslim killings are done by fellow Muslims. Their religion is based on a book that is so warped that it can be used justify any attack no matter how vile. It's a major issue they appear to be incapable of confronting.
A Muslim has killed a Muslim, oh well it's just another shitty day in paradise
The West has killed a Muslim, kill those Western bastards and their children

The Major Muslim nations talk a good game but their efforts at combating Militant Islam are lacklustre at best. The Saudi's are playing both sides and we all know it, the problem can only be solved within Islam and I see no sign anywhere of any Muslim leader with the balls to confront this issue head on.

[Mal Hombre]

We hanged the last Islamic leader Who had the cojones,Saddam killed Islamic radicals wherever He found Them..