Kathy Ann Shower-The Further Adventures Of Tennessee Buck (1988)

[bhutnath]

In another forum... the existence of the unrated version has been questioned.
But it seems that there are ample evidences in the available versions too that this unrated version exists.
1. The few seconds footage of the rub-down scene in some trailers in youtube is not included in the available movie version (the edited US version).
2. Sudden emergence of the rub-down scene also sort of violates the continity of the sequence of events and a stripping scene seems to have been expurgated in the later version.
3. In the above photo, a close review shows that she already has flowers sticking to her oiled skin. It signifies that she has already been to the floor during the first rape scene. Then the chief goes out and returns with his husband's severed head for the second rape scene which is also edited. The editing has been screwed up in the US version that way.
4. Further, as she cringes seeing the chief enter the hut, she doesn't make any effort to cover herself up (showing natural shyness) and instead yells at him. This means that she has already been violated by the chief and now wonders what's next.

And yes.... her expressions in the rub-down scene was extremely well-captured and quite erotic too.

Originally Posted by Rmj1978

Kathy naked and oiled

[bhutnath]

The scene remains as one of the most infamous and erotci scene ever, even after so many decades. Kathy's expressions are absoultely priceless.

In one other forum, the very existence of the unrated version has been questioned. But there are ample evidences that the version does exist and these are...

A. The oil rub-down footage of a few seconds in one of the trailers in youtube does not appear in the movie's normal US version readily available.

B. The oil rub-down scene could not have started just like that without the Kathy's stipping by the tribal women scene as that way it lacks continuity in the current version.

C. In this above picture, flowers are sticking to her oiled skin signifying that she has already been to the floor during her first rape scene. There is some serious editing error in the movie.

D. Lastly, as the chief enters the hut, she screams at him instead of tyring to cover herself showing natural shyness which further signifies that she has already faced her ordeal with the chief. The second rape scene by the chief is clearly edited.

Any responses to these points will be welcome.....

Originally Posted by Rmj1978

Kathy naked and oiled

[bhutnath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zInNM-DsQtw&t=52s

The 43-47 sec clip is not there in the film's US version. You can check....!

Originally Posted by bhutnath

The scene remains as one of the most infamous and erotci scene ever, even after so many decades. Kathy's expressions are absoultely priceless.

In one other forum, the very existence of the unrated version has been questioned. But there are ample evidences that the version does exist and these are...

A. The oil rub-down footage of a few seconds in one of the trailers in youtube does not appear in the movie's normal US version readily available.

B. The oil rub-down scene could not have started just like that without the Kathy's stipping by the tribal women scene as that way it lacks continuity in the current version.

C. In this above picture, flowers are sticking to her oiled skin signifying that she has already been to the floor during her first rape scene. There is some serious editing error in the movie.

D. Lastly, as the chief enters the hut, she screams at him instead of tyring to cover herself showing natural shyness which further signifies that she has already faced her ordeal with the chief. The second rape scene by the chief is clearly edited.

Any responses to these points will be welcome.....

[JustCruising]

Originally Posted by bhutnath

The scene remains as one of the most infamous and erotci scene ever, even after so many decades. Kathy's expressions are absoultely priceless.

In one other forum, the very existence of the unrated version has been questioned. But there are ample evidences that the version does exist and these are...

A. The oil rub-down footage of a few seconds in one of the trailers in youtube does not appear in the movie's normal US version readily available.

B. The oil rub-down scene could not have started just like that without the Kathy's stipping by the tribal women scene as that way it lacks continuity in the current version.

C. In this above picture, flowers are sticking to her oiled skin signifying that she has already been to the floor during her first rape scene. There is some serious editing error in the movie.

D. Lastly, as the chief enters the hut, she screams at him instead of tyring to cover herself showing natural shyness which further signifies that she has already faced her ordeal with the chief. The second rape scene by the chief is clearly edited.

Any responses to these points will be welcome.....

it is interesting ... and a very arousing scene. What is the other discussion site? The only rape scene I know of is where he drops the head on the ground as he enters the hut. Is there reportedly another?? She was an exciting playmate.

[jseale]

Originally Posted by bhutnath

The scene remains as one of the most infamous and erotci scene ever, even after so many decades. Kathy's expressions are absoultely priceless.

In one other forum, the very existence of the unrated version has been questioned. But there are ample evidences that the version does exist and these are...

A. The oil rub-down footage of a few seconds in one of the trailers in youtube does not appear in the movie's normal US version readily available.

B. The oil rub-down scene could not have started just like that without the Kathy's stipping by the tribal women scene as that way it lacks continuity in the current version.

C. In this above picture, flowers are sticking to her oiled skin signifying that she has already been to the floor during her first rape scene. There is some serious editing error in the movie.

D. Lastly, as the chief enters the hut, she screams at him instead of tyring to cover herself showing natural shyness which further signifies that she has already faced her ordeal with the chief. The second rape scene by the chief is clearly edited.

Any responses to these points will be welcome.....

Whilst I would love to believe the rumours of an ‘unrated’ ‘Tennessee Buck there remain sound reasons to doubt their veracity:

(1): Legend has it a rare, extended European version of ‘Buck was once transmitted in the 80’s containing these juicy extra scenes. Yet in over twenty five years of eager internet speculation not one second of footage has ever materialised. That’s actually more impressive these days than one might think, if the legend is true of course…

(2): Further to (1) I’ve never once encountered anyone claiming to have personally seen the alleged extended version (at least no one credible). Plenty are adamant it exists though because…. they’ve read the same rumours as everyone else!

(3): Kathy’s oiling up was directly inspired by Bo Derek’s erotic ordeal at the climax of 1981’s ‘Tarzan The Ape Man’. Isn’t it a remarkable coincidence that these very similar sequences also suffered precisely the same fate in the cutting room? Too remarkable for me. Unlike ‘Buck though we know for certain the Tarzan sequences exist/existed because Bo and director husband John Derek were famously taken to court over them! Indeed, the Edgar Rice Burroughs estate initiated legal action after objecting to the Dereks’ saucy film focusing more on Jane than Tarzan…

(4): ‘Buck clearly wasn’t aiming for PG certification - the main female protagonist was a Playboy Playmate after all. Naturally Kathy Shower wasn’t hired for her acting skills either so why apparently cut down the film’s hottest scenes? Perhaps because they never existed in the first place. To clarify I’m not denying the existence of alternative takes/footage as that’s obviously the nature of filmmaking (and proven via the trailer as already mentioned anyway) but the extra scenes, as described, sound more like a pervert’s fantasy than anything tbh…

(5): Reputedly Kathy Shower herself has been asked during conventions about these extra scenes/sequences - she denied they were ever shot.


Conclusion: Regrettably (1) and (3) in particular clinch it for me: Some rascal once claimed there’s more Kathy in ‘Tennessee Buck’ and it was inevitably taken as fact, spread like wildfire across the internet in spite of zero supporting evidence. Apart from trolling the likeliest explanation for said rumours is that their author mistakenly conflated Kathy Shower/‘Tennessee Buck’ for Bo Derek/Tarzan the Ape Man…

I hope I’m proven wrong on all this one day but regrettably I suspect my scepticism is fully justified and my deductive conclusions, accurate…

[Bucky11]

Whilst I would love to believe the rumours of an ‘unrated’ ‘Tennessee Buck there remain sound reasons to doubt their veracity:

(1): Legend has it a rare, extended European version of ‘Buck was once transmitted in the 80’s containing these juicy extra scenes. Yet in over twenty five years of eager internet speculation not one second of footage has ever materialised. That’s actually more impressive these days than one might think, if the legend is true of course…

It was transmitted on Cable channel in Europe and on cinemax backmin the early 90's. Apparently the workptintmofbthr film find its way onto those channels for a limited time. The fact that no extra scenes have been found on the net is due to the film being rarely seen so the chances of anyone having a taped copy of the uncensored version is very remote. Other B-movies like Cyborg have deleted scenes that haven't been found yet so TB is no exception. TB has never been officially released onto dvd or blu ray either which doesn't help matters.

(2): Further to (1) I’ve never once encountered anyone claiming to have personally seen the alleged extended version (at least no one credible). Plenty are adamant it exists though because…. they’ve read the same rumours as everyone else!

I have. Several in fact and they describe the same scene. Kathy is stripped before her oil rub which was also longer in the uncut version and the rape scene was a lityle longer with an additional wide shot of Kathy on the ground lying on her front with her ass raised up before the chief took her.

(3): Kathy’s oiling up was directly inspired by Bo Derek’s erotic ordeal at the climax of 1981’s ‘Tarzan The Ape Man’. Isn’t it a remarkable coincidence that these very similar sequences also suffered precisely the same fate in the cutting room? Too remarkable for me. Unlike ‘Buck though we know for certain the Tarzan sequences exist/existed because Bo and director husband John Derek were famously taken to court over them! Indeed, the Edgar Rice Burroughs estate initiated legal action after objecting to the Dereks’ saucy film focusing more on Jane than Tarzan…

Both scenes were actually inspired by Ursula Andress's ordeal in the jungle cannibal film The Mountain of the Cannibal God.

(4): ‘Buck clearly wasn’t aiming for PG certification - the main female protagonist was a Playboy Playmate after all. Naturally Kathy Shower wasn’t hired for her acting skills either so why apparently cut down the film’s hottest scenes? Perhaps because they never existed in the first place. To clarify I’m not denying the existence of alternative takes/footage as that’s obviously the nature of filmmaking (and proven via the trailer as already mentioned anyway) but the extra scenes, as described, sound more like a pervert’s fantasy than anything tbh…

Nope. On imdb it states that the producer had some more of the sexual nude scenes cut out to avoid the dreaded X rating to get an R rating instead for commercial purposes.

(5): Reputedly Kathy Shower herself has been asked during conventions about these extra scenes/sequences - she denied they were ever shot.

Not entirely true. The rumours she denied was that her character gets raped by two more tribe men. That's the only rumour. It should be noted that Kathy did another oiling scene with a black female in the film Velvet Dreams. Its nearly as hot as the TB oiling scene. However, Kathy doesn't even remember shooting the oiling scene in Velvet Dreams. A few reasons for that is it was a long time ago but I doubt you would forget shooting an erotics scenes the one in Velvet dreams. My take is that Kathy was either high or drunk as shooting such scenes is very nerve racking for a lot of actors and actresses so they may use a bit of "Dutch courage" to film such scenes. Especially back in the 80's where a lot of actors snd actresses did some weed or such to help them be more relaxed in doing such difficult scenes. So Kathy might not remember everything about the oiling scene if she was intoxicated whichnis quite likely given it was the 80's.


Conclusion: Regrettably (1) and (3) in particular clinch it for me: Some rascal once claimed there’s more Kathy in ‘Tennessee Buck’ and it was inevitably taken as fact, spread like wildfire across the internet in spite of zero supporting evidence. Apart from trolling the likeliest explanation for said rumours is that their author mistakenly conflated Kathy Shower/‘Tennessee Buck’ for Bo Derek/Tarzan the Ape Man…

Maybe. I've studied film making and to me when it comes to the oiling scene and such it does seem like to been heavily edited. Even the music seems to have been tampered as it seems to just jump when the oiling scene suddenly appears. One day perhaps an official version with additional scenes will emerge.

[Bucky11]

In another forum... the existence of the unrated version has been questioned.
But it seems that there are ample evidences in the available versions too that this unrated version exists.
1. The few seconds footage of the rub-down scene in some trailers in youtube is not included in the available movie version (the edited US version).

Yep. Many takes were shot of the oiling sequence to get different reactions from Kathy. Suffice to say the oiling scene was longer in the rough cut of the film with more attention on kathy's breasts.


2. Sudden emergence of the rub-down scene also sort of violates the continity of the sequence of events and a stripping scene seems to have been expurgated in the later version.

Yep. The oil scene just suddenly appears and if you listen carefully the music kind of jumps too. It does seem edited to the trained eye and ear. Also, why not shoot the stripping scene when Kathy gets partially stripped when she is tied to the pole and her right trouser leg is sliced open exposing her naked thigh? Doesn't make sense in the continuity of Kathy's ordeal. The other clue is a shot of the chief sharpening his knife and you see 2 of his maidens (who later oil up kathy) standing by the entrance of his hut. Why have a shot like that if it doesn't go anywhere? Details like that actually matter.


3. In the above photo, a close review shows that she already has flowers sticking to her oiled skin. It signifies that she has already been to the floor during the first rape scene. Then the chief goes out and returns with his husband's severed head for the second rape scene which is also edited. The editing has been screwed up in the US version that way.

Definitely an editorial error there. I have often wondered why Kathy was just sitting there naked with flower petals on her body. She also looks exhausted so it makes sense that the rape scene occurred before this scene.

4. Further, as she cringes seeing the chief enter the hut, she doesn't make any effort to cover herself up (showing natural shyness) and instead yells at him. This means that she has already been violated by the chief and now wonders what's next.

Exactly. She's angry because he's already taken her. She makes no effort to hide herself or to fight back.

And yes.... her expressions in the rub-down scene was extremely well-captured and quite erotic too.

Yep. It's also implied that Kathy was drugged before her oiling ritual takes place hence why she looks subdued. Even the fade over scenes of her face imply that she is drugged. Another scene that was edited out perhaps.

[Bucky11]

Here's the shot of the chief with his maidens at the entrance to his hut. Seems like there was meant to be more of this but was edited out.

[jseale]

Originally Posted by Bucky11

It was transmitted on Cable channel in Europe and on cinemax backmin the early 90's. Apparently the workptintmofbthr film find its way onto those channels for a limited time. The fact that no extra scenes have been found on the net is due to the film being rarely seen so the chances of anyone having a taped copy of the uncensored version is very remote. Other B-movies like Cyborg have deleted scenes that haven't been found yet so TB is no exception. TB has never been officially released onto dvd or blu ray either which doesn't help matters.

…arguably not that remote though considering the proliferation of VHS recorders in homes at the time. Yet not a second of footage has emerged in all this time - probably closer to thirty years (internet-wise) thinking about it…

Originally Posted by Bucky11

I have. Several in fact and they describe the same scene.

Again, numerous people all describing the same thing is not really proof of anything - in fact if anything it adds further weight to the suspicion they’re merely repeating (consciously or otherwise) what they’ve read elsewhere! One suspects there’s something of a ‘Mandela Effect’ going on with at least some who’ve sworn they’ve personally seen the hotter version of ‘Buck…

Originally Posted by Bucky11

Nope. On imdb it states that the producer had some more of the sexual nude scenes cut out to avoid the dreaded X rating to get an R rating instead for commercial purposes.

Considering that IMDB largely relies on anonymous, unaccredited contributors for much of its content (especially movie trivia) it doesn’t exactly enjoy a reputation for being a peerless ‘bastion’ of accuracy! Naturally many of the claims revolving around ‘Buck have simply been copy/pasted from other, equally dubious, sources and presented as fact…

Originally Posted by Bucky11

Not entirely true.

I think we quibble on what exactly Kathy has affirmed or denied here! Regardless, the amount of people claiming to have personally seen this mythical European cut is irrelevant for whilst it remains MIA it is just that: an unsubstantiated myth.

Originally Posted by Bucky11

Maybe. I've studied film making and to me when it comes to the oiling scene and such it does seem like to been heavily edited. Even the music seems to have been tampered as it seems to just jump when the oiling scene suddenly appears. One day perhaps an official version with additional scenes will emerge.

Well I’m not denying that there’s more footage, I question whether these extra scenes were shot - a crucial distinction. Furthermore if they were then are they accurately described and if so were they ever incorporated into a pseudo international cut as many claim sans tangible evidence? The former at least does exist in some capacity as affirmed by the trailer of course...

[Bucky11]

arguably not that remote though considering the proliferation of VHS recorders in homes at the time. Yet not a second of footage has emerged in all this time - probably closer to thirty years (internet-wise) thinking about it…

Yes it really is that remote. TB was shown late at night on cable a few times. Almost all people back then would've never heard of TB. It was just one of those films that you would happen to catch if watching late night TV. And even then would they have watched the whole film or fell asleep while watching it. So the idea that it would've bern taped is lacking at best. And if it was taped 30 so years ago the tape has long bern lost or had detoriated badly since then.

Again, numerous people all describing the same thing is not really proof of anything - in fact if anything it adds further weight to the suspicion they’re merely repeating (consciously or otherwise) what they’ve read elsewhere! One suspects there’s something of a ‘Mandela Effect’ going on with at least some who’ve sworn they’ve personally seen the hotter version of ‘Buck…

So they're all imagining the same scene, huh? Nope. I've asked many questions to these people and they all describe the same scenes. None of this "Mandela effect" bs going on

Considering that IMDB largely relies on anonymous, unaccredited contributors for much of its content (especially movie trivia) it doesn’t exactly enjoy a reputation for being a peerless ‘bastion’ of accuracy! Naturally many of the claims revolving around ‘Buck have simply been copy/pasted from other, equally dubious, sources and presented as fact…

Nope. It perfectly states that the producer had some scenes cut out to get an R rating not an X. There's no where else with that info.

I think we quibble on what exactly Kathy has affirmed or denied here! Regardless, the amount of people claiming to have personally seen this mythical European cut is irrelevant for whilst it remains MIA it is just that: an unsubstantiated myth.

Not a myth. As I've stated many films from the 80's and early 90's when televised were shown with additional scenes not shown in the theatrical edit of the film. Even now, many b movies have deleted scenes yet to be found.


Well I’m not denying that there’s more footage, I question whether these extra scenes were shot - a crucial distinction. Furthermore if they were then are they accurately described and if so were they ever incorporated into a pseudo international cut as many claim sans tangible evidence? The former at least does exist in some capacity as affirmed by the trailer of course...

The fact that the official film has been clearly edited also affirms that some scenes are definitely missing.