Weaponry; Discussion of Rights and Responsibilities

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

Deer are better eating..

You know this because you hunt the English deer??

[Rogerbh]

Out of curiosity - I googled this article - http://www.outdoorcanada.ca/dining-on-black-bear/

Not what I was expecting.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

You know this because you hunt the English deer??

They're very elusive...

[cginok]

Originally Posted by ShutUpLutz!

Did you miss the bit about the person being a bow hunter? Probably not since you mentioned it 4 times.

Contrary to what you mistakenly and bizarrely believe, not every single 'outdoorsman' is familiar with or has even used a firearm. The Indians survived just fine in grizzly country for thousands of years and they didn't have any firearms.

You have a very weird definition of what it means to be an outdoorsman.

They also had a lot of scars and dead buddies.



In the diary of Lewis and Clark's expedition, Lewis writes of an encounter they had with a grizzly...something they had never seen or heard of. As they traveled up the Missouri, into what is today the Dakotas, Wyoming and Montana, they kept hearing stories from the local indians of a bear as tall as a tree, and has big as their horses. At first they thought the indians were full of it. But as they kept hearing the stories of such a bear from village after village, they started to think maybe there's something to this big critter. Lewis wrote of how the men were curious to see one. When they finally encountered one, it took 10 shots from their Pennsylvania rifles...one of the most, if not the most, powerful firearms on the planet at that time...to bring it down. Lewis wrote that the men's curiosity with such an animal had been well sated.

[Rogerbh]

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...112-story.html
Apparently the school district for Parkland school tried to cover up its knowledge about the nutcase student. Years before he was telling them he wanted to kill people, shoot up a school, etc. When I was growing up, students had access to guns and I don't remember any student ever threatening to shoot up the schools. I had access to my brother's M1 carbine or AR 15. The thought of shooting fellow students never crossed my mind.

Would be interesting to see what health professionals attribute to this change.

[Rogerbh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=lXGgI2E5JUw

John Stossel again rips apart another person's argument. This time it is the myth that the US has the most mass shootings in the world. Kinda interesting to hear that Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia have higher rates per capita (of the 86 countries that had identified mass shootings). Would be interesting to hear the rankings for mass murders by any means.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=lXGgI2E5JUw

John Stossel again rips apart another person's argument. This time it is the myth that the US has the most mass shootings in the world. Kinda interesting to hear that Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia have higher rates per capita (of the 86 countries that had identified mass shootings). Would be interesting to hear the rankings for mass murders by any means.

In the words of Benjamin Disraeli -

There are three kinds of lies. Lies; damned lies; and statistics.

However, given that Anders Breivik is the only mass shooter Norway has ever had, I am rather intrigued that anyone can put forward an argument that Norway has more mass shootings per capita than the United States. You might argue it if you took 2011 as your year of sample point, but this would not be a representative sample. See Mr Disraeli (above).

[bowlinggreen]

We definitely have a problem with gun violence in the United States, no matter how you play with the statistics. Access to military type weapons can make the carnage worse, as it has in some instances.

There are certainly people walking around who are legally allowed to have firearms who shouldn't be.

I don't know how we can solve this problem, I think it is more a matter of cultural dysfunction than access to guns. There have always been guns in the USA, it's only in recent decades that all of this mass shooting business has popped up on the screen.

I'd prefer that we didn't go down the road that other countries do, with overly strict controls on firearms, as that would make us less "American", having to petition the government for a basic right like a child petitioning a parent for a new toy or some candy.

But there is a small percentage of insane people out there full of malignant narcissism hellbent on ruining it for everybody else.

[Rogerbh]

I was looking at the earlier claims that since 1966 there were 90 mass shooters in the US and 202 in the rest of the world and the new data at 3:57 which had an updated figure of 3,081 for mass shooters in the rest of the world. The fact that the earlier guy won't share his data but the later one does, seems to indicate the earlier guy is wrong.

You do have a point on the one shooter in Norway causing their high place in the chart, but we do use deaths per capita for most causes of death statistics, don't we?

If the US population is 4.4% of the world's population and we are 90 of 3,171 of the mass shootings, we are a little over 2.8% of the mass shooters, well below our 4.4% or representational 140 or so mass shooters. Nothing to brag about, but not the world's worst statistically.

[Rogerbh]

Missed this event in June of this year.

Two robbers who shot at the homeowner got killed by an AK47.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StbpTlOZxiU
Alaska 47 rifle?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/memphis...rs-with-ak-47/