Cashless society . - Page 2

**bloke57** · September 20th, 2017, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

John Lewis vouchers ?,Your gardenimg business must pay well, I get Lidl vouchers..

Where I live you have to wear a badge and ring a bell if you are a Lidl user.

littlebuck · September 20th, 2017, 02:35 PM

Bankers are dead scared.
Finally.
I can send /sell bitcoin to anyone with a wallet and internet connection.
I'd rather travel with 100k of bitcoin than travel with 100k of cash.
Peace.

**stralis440** · September 20th, 2017, 02:47 PM

Self employed, one man band mechanic (genuinely registered with HMRC I may add) cash is king

littlebuck · September 20th, 2017, 03:02 PM

I totally agree cash is king King
You need cash more often now to buy bitcoin
when all the physical us paper returns to N.A.. Then the (usd) paper is worth nothing..
The paper is overseas and it's coming back..
Get your wheelbarrows..
lol
peace
enjoy
it will be harder for the younger coddled

Trifive · September 21st, 2017, 03:12 PM

I never have cash as I hate carrying coins around. Nothing worse than paying for something and getting 89 cents back. Cards eliminate that issue for me.

**otokonomidori** · September 21st, 2017, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloke57

Like my little on-the-side gardening jobs.

My tenants all pay in cash - no nonsense like rent books = no paper trail.

I can live on their money and save my "official" income.

I always negotiate cash deals with tradesmen - he trousers the money without bothering to tell the Exchequer, I save the VAT .

**Meini Again** · February 19th, 2019, 12:26 AM

By 2023 it is said that Sweden ~ the most advanced in the cashless society

.... will have NO MONEY... NO COINS... NO NOTES.

Every Financial exchange will be via cards.

For which you need an account, and for which you will never be able to control the interest or facility fee you will have to pay.
Your Salary / Wages / Benefits go into your account, your outgoing payments.... from a newspaper/cup of coffee / a new home, will all be paid via CARDS. With appropraite charges.

The fact that Sweden are so far ahead is partly because of the enormous bank raids they have suffered in the last two decades. Mainly from biker gangs.A seriously organised sub-culture.

* An aside..... you cannot make a film in Sweden, outside a large City... unless you sign-up the local 'biker gang'... best example is "Slim Susie"... a brilliant and funny film that had to include their 'biker gang' on screen in a procession, no less.

Such was their influence that Sweden set off at high speed for a Cashless Society. Nowadays, in big cities or towns, you cannot get cash...coins/notes from a bank > > they send you to a local travel exchange shop.

That is Sweden now, 4/5 years ahead of a CASHLESS SOCIETY !

The'yre fastest to get there.

How about the UK / USA / EU / OZ / India ?

Though much longer, is this the way to your future?
Not because of 'biker-gangs'... but control.
CONTROL ..... By the Banks and Card Industry?

**Reclaimedwg** · February 19th, 2019, 01:06 AM

They have proposed that here in the USA and Civil Liberties advocates questions it because it includes Gov't control on what you spent your money on.

They can put a block on your account where you can't buy alcohol or go to a strip club, etc etc.

The gov't will do that too - they have put 1000s of law abiding U.S. citizens with no criminal records and who are not on any law enforcement watch lists on the No Fly list without any explanation and once you are on, you won't be able to get off.

No one at the TSA and DHS and FBI will be able to tell you why you were put on it in the first place and all their solutions on how to get off it is just a bunch of red tape and run around.

**bowlinggreen** · February 19th, 2019, 07:06 AM

^ Yep, there's a frightful amount of potential for abuse if the government/banker elites are controlling all consumer activity through cards.

It will be like your paycheck becoming an allowance, with government as the daddy who decides what sort of candy and comic books you can buy.

And in the case of big employers, some will try to make sure you only have THEIR card, as a condition of employment, which is only good at the company store.

I don't see cash going away here, though it has already been advocated for by the usual suspects.

I like paying for small and sometimes medium purchases with cash, and it's always good, even if the electricity around town should go out. Not so with cards.

If the worst comes to pass, I suppose the black market would be served by gold and silver coinage, though there would be a lot of huckstering and counterfeiting going on there, just like their is now with paper money on occasion.

Online "edgy" purchases like porn would have to be handled with illicit crypto-currency. That's probably one of the first things that would be banned on "legit" digital bank cards.

At that point, I suppose even precious metals would be kind of hard to find, having been banned by the government (fun fact for non-US citizens, our government banned the possession of gold by private citizens from 1933 to the early 70s), and I'm not sure how crypto-currency would work, that would probably be "officially" banned too.

**Reclaimedwg** · February 19th, 2019, 10:26 AM

You have companies here that if you work for them, your paycheck will only be put on a reloadable VISA or MasterCard cash card that's tied to their accounts.

Then they charge you fees for using the ATM or for getting cash back when you buy something or for checking your balance and on and on.

Code:

https://www.bankrate.com/financing/banking/the-problem-with-payroll-cards/

September 20th, 2017, 02:35 PM	#12
littlebuck Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. Posts: 35 Thanks: 105 Thanked 734 Times in 29 Posts	Cashless Society without the mention of Bitcoin Bankers are dead scared. Finally. I can send /sell bitcoin to anyone with a wallet and internet connection. I'd rather travel with 100k of bitcoin than travel with 100k of cash. Peace.

February 19th, 2019, 12:26 AM	#17
Meini Again Vintage Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: North Wales Posts: 3,637 Thanks: 32,358 Thanked 31,827 Times in 3,566 Posts	No Dosh... A Cashless Society....The Future ? By 2023 it is said that Sweden ~ the most advanced in the cashless society .... will have NO MONEY... NO COINS... NO NOTES. Every Financial exchange will be via cards. For which you need an account, and for which you will never be able to control the interest or facility fee you will have to pay. Your Salary / Wages / Benefits go into your account, your outgoing payments.... from a newspaper/cup of coffee / a new home, will all be paid via CARDS. With appropraite charges. The fact that Sweden are so far ahead is partly because of the enormous bank raids they have suffered in the last two decades. Mainly from biker gangs.A seriously organised sub-culture. * An aside..... you cannot make a film in Sweden, outside a large City... unless you sign-up the local 'biker gang'... best example is "Slim Susie"... a brilliant and funny film that had to include their 'biker gang' on screen in a procession, no less. Such was their influence that Sweden set off at high speed for a Cashless Society. Nowadays, in big cities or towns, you cannot get cash...coins/notes from a bank > > they send you to a local travel exchange shop. That is Sweden now, 4/5 years ahead of a CASHLESS SOCIETY ! The'yre fastest to get there. How about the UK / USA / EU / OZ / India ? Though much longer, is this the way to your future? Not because of 'biker-gangs'... but control. CONTROL ..... By the Banks and Card Industry? Last edited by Meini Again; February 19th, 2019 at 12:33 AM..

February 19th, 2019, 07:06 AM	#19
bowlinggreen Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 4,192 Thanks: 48,676 Thanked 49,168 Times in 4,188 Posts	^ Yep, there's a frightful amount of potential for abuse if the government/banker elites are controlling all consumer activity through cards. It will be like your paycheck becoming an allowance, with government as the daddy who decides what sort of candy and comic books you can buy. And in the case of big employers, some will try to make sure you only have THEIR card, as a condition of employment, which is only good at the company store. I don't see cash going away here, though it has already been advocated for by the usual suspects. I like paying for small and sometimes medium purchases with cash, and it's always good, even if the electricity around town should go out. Not so with cards. If the worst comes to pass, I suppose the black market would be served by gold and silver coinage, though there would be a lot of huckstering and counterfeiting going on there, just like their is now with paper money on occasion. Online "edgy" purchases like porn would have to be handled with illicit crypto-currency. That's probably one of the first things that would be banned on "legit" digital bank cards. At that point, I suppose even precious metals would be kind of hard to find, having been banned by the government (fun fact for non-US citizens, our government banned the possession of gold by private citizens from 1933 to the early 70s), and I'm not sure how crypto-currency would work, that would probably be "officially" banned too. __________________ So much porn, so little time...

February 19th, 2019, 10:26 AM	#20
Reclaimedwg Vintage Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,414 Thanks: 7,709 Thanked 26,946 Times in 3,089 Posts	You have companies here that if you work for them, your paycheck will only be put on a reloadable VISA or MasterCard cash card that's tied to their accounts. Then they charge you fees for using the ATM or for getting cash back when you buy something or for checking your balance and on and on. Code: https://www.bankrate.com/financing/banking/the-problem-with-payroll-cards/

September 20th, 2017, 02:47 PM	#13
stralis440 Vintage Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,783 Thanks: 4,318 Thanked 103,271 Times in 3,893 Posts	Self employed, one man band mechanic (genuinely registered with HMRC I may add) cash is king

September 20th, 2017, 03:02 PM	#14
littlebuck Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. Posts: 35 Thanks: 105 Thanked 734 Times in 29 Posts	I totally agree cash is king King You need cash more often now to buy bitcoin when all the physical us paper returns to N.A.. Then the (usd) paper is worth nothing.. The paper is overseas and it's coming back.. Get your wheelbarrows.. lol peace enjoy it will be harder for the younger coddled

September 21st, 2017, 03:12 PM	#15
Trifive Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 38 Thanks: 37 Thanked 237 Times in 30 Posts	I never have cash as I hate carrying coins around. Nothing worse than paying for something and getting 89 cents back. Cards eliminate that issue for me.

February 19th, 2019, 01:06 AM	#18
Reclaimedwg Vintage Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,414 Thanks: 7,709 Thanked 26,946 Times in 3,089 Posts	They have proposed that here in the USA and Civil Liberties advocates questions it because it includes Gov't control on what you spent your money on. They can put a block on your account where you can't buy alcohol or go to a strip club, etc etc. The gov't will do that too - they have put 1000s of law abiding U.S. citizens with no criminal records and who are not on any law enforcement watch lists on the No Fly list without any explanation and once you are on, you won't be able to get off. No one at the TSA and DHS and FBI will be able to tell you why you were put on it in the first place and all their solutions on how to get off it is just a bunch of red tape and run around.