Windows 10?

[utley]

Originally Posted by a435843

"I'm not the one whining about anything - you are."

You remind me of this classic Saturday Night Live sketch:

tl;dr

I'm starting to feel like Harry Shearer. Please don't confuse news posting and linking with whining. If the facts don't fit your worldview, once again, that's not my problem.

I do go with someone else, whenever my clients allow me. As far personally giving Windows 10 a try is concerned, I owe neither Microsoft, nor the N$@, the entire lifetime of my personal data.

I call's it like I see's it.

Nobody ever said you have to like it; truth is that your whining about personal data being open for everyone is kind of a moot point being that A) you are on the internet, and B) your information is already ON the internet regardless of your operating system.

To give you an idea of just how ludicrous that argument is, I work for Lockheed. The Chinese and Russians have obtained top secret documents FROM Lockheed Martin servers that most definitely do not operate on Windows 10. Your personal data is at risk no matter how secure your computer is. If you think that your web browser is secure, think again. If someone wants your information, chances are about 99% that they "already" have it. Unless you monitor your networks bandwidth down to the ubit, Im 100% certain you dont know what information is being downloaded or uploaded to your computer at any given time. And just so you know Im not trying to blow smoke up your ass? I remember back a few years ago about some man identified a rootkit being installed on his computer every time he put a Sony Cd in his dvd drive. You can read about that here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_B...ootkit_scandal

Just because you hate Microsoft and think Windows 10 sucks doesnt mean that your chosen software doesnt suck either.

[utley]

Originally Posted by beutelwolf

Well, giving it a shot is what I've been doing for the last decade or so. I never liked being treated as an idiot by MS operating systems, but indeed Vista was indeed the first big warning shot, i.e. where things started to fall apart. At our Uni, I am relying on MS machines to teach in lecture theatres, and every few months there's an upgrade that breaks things. When you are standing in front of 200 students and the piece of software you intended as the centre piece of the lecture fails to work, yes, then you begin to join the MS hate bandwagon.


I do go with something else - got to this thread out of the wish to stop my MS machines attempting to upgrade to W10. ...and besides: we cannot do all our own research on everything - life's too short.

I agree that Windows shouldnt force you to do anything, that is a bullshit move. I paid for my upgrade - not because I wanted to, but because I want to keep my Windows 7 key AND control what gets updated on my computer. Im loving WinX Pro right now, and Ive not noticed any of the headaches mentioned herein this thread.

But lets tout off this hate microsoft bandwagon. I was in a classroom lecture not too long about about which o/s was the most susceptible to external penetrations. Care to guess which system was the easiest to exploit? Not a Microsoft product by the way, and none of the Apple fanbois there were smiling after class. Believe it or not, the hardest one to penetrate was Vista. Not because it was totally secure, but because nobody really wanted to try. Im not saying that makes it true, just using it as an example.

And I also agree with your opinion on everyone not researching everything on their own. Lawyers and judges would argue with that one (and I can argue against them about that too) that ignorance of the law is no excuse to break the law. Truth is people need to educate themselves on what is and what isnt installed on their computers. After my 5th year of using Spybot S&D, Avast, Ccleaner, Tune Up Utilities, and a host of other network monitoring software and VPNs, Im about tired of trying to stay anonymous online. You cant even get that on the dark net.

[beutelwolf]

Originally Posted by utley

Nobody ever said you have to like it; truth is that your whining about personal data being open for everyone is kind of a moot point being that A) you are on the internet, and B) your information is already ON the internet regardless of your operating system.

There is a qualitative difference between data you volunteer by participating e.g. in social media, and your computer handing all info on your pc to some global corporation to do with it as it pleases.

That said, that is not for me not even the main issue with W10, although it's related. There are two main issues: (i) forced updates - because this breaks stuff, never mind the constant reboots resorting from that, and (ii) in order to maximise snoopability (I said it was related) security of W10 is being undermined.

To give you an idea of just how ludicrous that argument is, I work for Lockheed. The Chinese and Russians have obtained top secret documents FROM Lockheed Martin servers that most definitely do not operate on Windows 10. Your personal data is at risk no matter how secure your computer is.

At risk is one thing, open to everyone is something else. If the KGB (or whatever it is called these days) were prepared to spend $5,000,000 on operation beutelwolf to spy out every little bit of detail on my PC then they could save themselves some money, because I'd be quite happy to hand over all of that without fuss for just half that money.

If you think that your web browser is secure, think again. If someone wants your information, chances are about 99% that they "already" have it.

So you are saying that of the 170 students who have to do my latest programming assessment, round about 168 of them have already got hold of the solutions file on my PC? I dare say you overestimate their hacking abilities by a substantial margin.

Just because you hate Microsoft and think Windows 10 sucks doesnt mean that your chosen software doesnt suck either.

To "suck" in this context is not a yes/no thing, but some software is better than others, and very little of software is ever perfect. That also goes for browsers, but in that respect IE is very low down the list.

The main reason for people to stick with MS is for legacy software that runs on MS platforms. It is certainly not the OS itself.

[utley]

Originally Posted by beutelwolf

There is a qualitative difference between data you volunteer by participating e.g. in social media, and your computer handing all info on your pc to some global corporation to do with it as it pleases.

That said, that is not for me not even the main issue with W10, although it's related. There are two main issues: (i) forced updates - because this breaks stuff, never mind the constant reboots resorting from that, and (ii) in order to maximise snoopability (I said it was related) security of W10 is being undermined.


At risk is one thing, open to everyone is something else. If the KGB (or whatever it is called these days) were prepared to spend $5,000,000 on operation beutelwolf to spy out every little bit of detail on my PC then they could save themselves some money, because I'd be quite happy to hand over all of that without fuss for just half that money.


So you are saying that of the 170 students who have to do my latest programming assessment, round about 168 of them have already got hold of the solutions file on my PC? I dare say you overestimate their hacking abilities by a substantial margin.


To "suck" in this context is not a yes/no thing, but some software is better than others, and very little of software is ever perfect. That also goes for browsers, but in that respect IE is very low down the list.

The main reason for people to stick with MS is for legacy software that runs on MS platforms. It is certainly not the OS itself.

I dont use IE, I compare it quite literally to malware. When I cant terminate a program using taskmanager and watch the program restart itself is where I draw the line. IE fits that bill perfectly. I use a 64 bit 3rd party browser instead. Been using it for 3 years now happily.

170 of your students? Im pretty sure that they arent interested in your private life or the answer to the tests. There are easier ways to cheat than hacking, like texting the answers in class. However, its about even odds that your computer maybe infected already and part of a botnet.

Every website you visit, I can almost guarantee that they install a tracking cookie. Google is nefarious in this, Yahoo is certainly guilty of it, and Im not even going to mention Safari. So's to say that someone "out there" knows you exist. If you want to know just how good ppl are at hacking, all you have to do is research the beast of Kandahar and how the Iranians managed to capture it. Nobody has to want your information to get it. Ive recently seen a coworkers face in a local newspaper for DUI sponsored by mugshots.com. Hell, Ive seen my mugshot online, and I havent been arrested for anything other than traffic tickets in over 8 years. You would be very surprised at how much of your life is actually posted online for all to see.

Everyone is worried that big brother may be watching your every online movement. No, its not just big brother; its also the psychotic neighbor next door who is watching you from behind closed curtains., Hell, I see vintage erotica forums using almost 10 cookies. That sounds like a lot to me, doesnt it? When the girl you are about to go out on a date with knows your credit score, or whether or not you are a sexual predator or can recite your current address.............

[utley]

Originally Posted by a435843

Let's see, Utley's plan of attack:

1. Obscure the information...complain that MS respects your privacy and Google doesn't, then says everybody's got it anyway...which is it?
2. Assume everybody's a idiot; convince people that they haven't done enough research yet, whatever that means, or we're merely biased, despite the evidence and our own experience. This is an attempt to imply that the users are the problem and not Microsoft.
3. Personally attack individuals, not provide an argument as to why Windows 10 is MS's best work, rather than a snooping, buggy mess. As I've said, MS is foisting testing onto the users to save themselves money, so while a given update might be OK for you, and the next, and the next, the percentages will eventually catch up with you. You will be stuck with a bricked machine at some point, and be forced into some sort of run around, buying new, go through a multi-day process of backing out & retrying or reinstalling the whole OS, post on some forum and beat the odds by actually getting a solution or getting a fix, etc. No one owes Microsoft free testing.

Also, with my professional experience, tons of software, mostly business-oriented, while supposedly 10-compatible is not...at least I got paid for the run around. No countervailing facts have been proposed, however, just insults.
4. Spread FUD, fear, uncertainty, and doubt, especially with the recent posts. That, of course, is Microsoft's classic tactic.
5. And finally, "No, you suck."...brilliant.

I'm pretty sure Utley doesn't work for Lockheed, however, if he did, he's sure anxious to get people on Windows 10. Given Lockheed is part of the Military-Industrial Complex, you may want to think carefully about his posts. BTW, the Sony thing is common knowledge, and step #1 on a new Windows installation is to turn off AutoRun...duh.

The rest...tl;dr...the door at the manure storage facility swings both ways.

This post is utter bullshit. Im not supporting Microsoft in any way, shape or form. Im merely pointing out the fact that you are being 100% biased. You have no idea. I can show you my Lockheed creds, but I can almost guarantee you will use the photoshop excuse too. Anyways...Ill let you go ahead and continue your Microsoft bashing rant. Stick with Apple if you want. The risk of you using them is just as great -if not more than- using Microsoft.

Top 2 things that people look for online -
1. Information. Visited Yahoo lately?
2. Porn. Have you visited any porn sites lately?

Q: Oh, gee Utley, what operating system do you support anyways?
A: Obunto Linux. Totally a Windows 10 product. You just dont know it..........

[garthok newo]

While I'm all for discussion and airing of opinions, I found this thread used to be very useful, and very informative. And, as I'm just barely able to turn my computer on the bulk of posts especially rickdanger's were very helpful. I'm hoping that the recent spate of back and forth posts tapers off and the helpful tips, what to do and not do, etc become more prevalent.

[spicoli]

Originally Posted by garthok newo

While I'm all for discussion and airing of opinions, I found this thread used to be very useful, and very informative. And, as I'm just barely able to turn my computer on the bulk of posts especially rickdanger's were very helpful. I'm hoping that the recent spate of back and forth posts tapers off and the helpful tips, what to do and not do, etc become more prevalent.

I completely agree. I follow this thread purely for information. The rock throwing gets in the way of seeking the truth about W10 and other OS's.

[utley]

Originally Posted by a435843

I agree, some people just aren't real happy with the messenger, I just don't take personal attacks lying down. And, as the thread title says, I stick to the topic. Check RD's threads for more general posts, especially in regards to other OS's & issues.

BTW, where are the precious mods when other people post curse words? Just asking.

On a forum where tits and ass is the norm, I hardly see shit as a swear word. And calling me a bully for speaking my mind about your opinions about Microsoft while spewing out garbage yourself is a bit hypocritical when I havent even attacked you at all.

You - Microsoft is the only company cramming it down your throat
Me - No its not, so is everyone else
You - stop bullying me!
Me - Im not bullying you, Im informing you.
You - You tried to throw me under the bus!
Me - Think you fell out of the bus....
You - teacher, he said a swear word!

The only person acting childish here is you. Because obviously from your point of view, Im the evil Microsoft bulwark boogieman out to get you. Pull the tin foil hat off and instead go find your own opinion instead of continuing the ride on the hate microsoft wagon.

[Ernesto75]

So, you seem to be one of those Microsoft lovers.
Satia Nadella, and Bill Gates, should be proud of you.
It is people like you who made Microsoft's CEOs think they can do anything without demur.
I think of Satia Nadella but also of his illustrious predecessors.
I think, perhaps, you own Microsoft shares.
Well, good of you.

But, you see, this thread is devoted to Windows 10, in principle for aiding those who have problems with it.
It also eventually allows those who like it inconditionally (that is if there are such people).

So you seem to like Microft and especially Windows 10.
Very well.
Then prove it by talking about your experience with Windows 10, while staying civil.

But, please, cease addressing people like you did.
We might think you are bullying us.

That is not what this thread is about.

I tell you this without having negative feelings about you.

I hope you will understand.

Have a good day.

[pigulici]

"The NSA might be spying on Tor users. Another infraction: hating Windows.":
http://www.itworld.com/article/30129...tor-users.html
http://www.defenseone.com/technology...spy-you/88054/