Windows 10?

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a435843,

Originally Posted by a435843

Do you have updates set to automatically install?

No, I have it set to inform me before downloading. Works most of the time.

I do know the update was my fault the first time as there wasn't much on it at the time (I think that was last spring). But the second time I don't know how it got past me. When I got the notice I checked the KB numbers and didn't see it. So I don't know how it got past me the second time.

[Rick Danger]

Originally Posted by JimBoy51

Excuse my ignorance here,but why is there the need for Microsoft to keep updating,especially as windows 7 works perfectly?

This is far from being an ignorant question, and I applaud the depth of understanding that the responses to your post have shared.

I can buy into what Buschi said about the need for technological change. But I often wonder from the cyberthreat scenario how much of the need for "improved" security is due to real threats or Microsoft putting profits ahead of providing robust solutions. I go back to my last post: if Internet Explorer is a KNOWN security risk, why would you include it in your latest operating system product ? And of course, we all saw how effectively Microsoft Security Essentials was in protecting Windows from security threats. A review published in Wikipedia states:

In AV-TEST's 2011 annual review, Microsoft Security Essentials came last in protection, seventh in repair and fifth in usability.[64] In the 2012 review, it came last in protection and best in usability; however, having lost its certificate, it was not qualified for the usability award.[65] In June 2013, MSE achieved the lowest possible protection score, zero.[66]

But I also agree with what a435843 said: a lot of the "new" technology is far from new. I was using touchscreen devices back in the early 80's. The graphical user interface (GUI) was an invention of the 70's. By 1986 I was shopping software from servers on the web. Back in 2001 I was using a Compaq Armada M300: a slim, small factor laptop. By 2007 laptops of this identical type were now called "netbooks" or "mommy books" and were all the rage. By 1997 the second generation Palm Pilots were introduced. Now we have tablets.

Getting back to the topic at hand, Windows 10. I said in one of my earliest postings that I take a very clinical, "Operating Systems 322" (a course I actually took) view. I need an operating system to manage physical and logical resources like memory, control the loading and execution of applications, have robust error recovery, rock solid security, and provide a user interface that will allow me to use the computer as a tool effectively. Anything outside of this basic definition to me is an APPLICATION, or at best a utility.

The features that Microsoft is crowing about in Window 10 to me are neither new or compelling, nor do they belong to an operating system. There are some new security modalities, but only in certain versions and ONLY if you include additional Microsoft infrastructure that no home user, home or small business user is likely to have. Cortana ? Hardly new, and I remain unsold as to how useful such "personal digital assistants" are away from mobile devices. And is it core to the operating system or could it be more easily handled as a separate, "add on" application ? The Edge browser ? Again, it's an application that could be provisioned just like FireFox, Chrome, Opera, or Safari. And some of it's functionality will not be available tomorrow, July 29th. Add to this Microsoft's choice of imbedding Internet Explorer provided no real advantage. Indeed, it simply provided a major security vulnerability that could not be remediated by the simple expedient of uninstalling the app. I pray to the good Lord that Edge will not duplicate this flawed design.

Let me go further. Xbox integration ? Again, what does this have to do with an operating system ? To me this is excess baggage that should be optional, not a core piece of Windows 10. What if I'm a PlayStation 2 or Nintendo Wii user ? Or if I don't play games at all ? This for me is a useless feature. I'd rather spare the disk and processor overhead and uninstall this all together. How about Phone Integration, the "Universal Apps", and the redesigned App Store ? All are designed to help prop up Windows Phone, which has a breathtaking 2.9% market share.

Of course, the underpinning running behind Windows 10 is Microsoft's Cloud infrastructure, their major cash cow. They will sell all of it to consumers as "giving" you the freedom to access what's important to you on any device, anywhere in the world, using one common operating system and one core set of services. But if this were truly a matter of providing "choice" they would design Windows to work natively with DropBox, Google Drive, iCloud, or the cloud or file sharing service of your choice.

I could only dream how well Windows 10 might perform if it jettisoned features that are simply designed to tie me into using more Microsoft products and services. How well the applications that I count on would function without having to contend with "features" that I don't need or want for system resources. How much more secure my system would be if I didn't have to worry about updating "features" that I'm not using.

And we haven't even considered Microsoft's new "Windows As Service" model, which raises the specter of a monthly or annual fee for running Windows, and the possibility of being forced to update your OS to essentially a new version whenever Redmond decides it time to prop up it's revenue stream AGAIN.

I have made (ad nauseam) the case that "technology" companies are actually just marketing companies. They seldom provide their customers with the best in available technology: merely only the products and services that will provide them with the best profitability in the long run. And in an industry revolutionized by adherence to "open" systems, vendors who maintain reliance on "closed" or proprietary technologies have time after time seen such products eventually fail in the marketplace.

Clearly Microsoft's dream of having Windows 10 installed on one billion devices within a few years should be all anyone needs to know about the strategic direction of Windows 10. It's not about technology, and it certainly isn't about consumer choice.

So, I have cancelled my Windows 10 reservations, uninstalled Update KB3035583 from all systems, and advised family and friends to sit out tomorrow's festivities. Again, everyone needs to make a reasoned, informed decision concerning whether Windows 10 is or is not for you.

SO, when SkyNet is turned on in fifty minutes, we'll see if it's World War III.......have fun, one and all !

[EvolutionSelene]

I am on Win10 now. I am a novice when it comes to technical talk, but it seems kind of slow. Kinda weird seeing the start menu back and all, and it's a welcome feature. But yeah, some bugs need to be worked out.

[EsotericKnave]

Originally Posted by a435843

The only acceptable scenario is to be able to see this list of updates prior to installing them, and have the option to review those updates, and head off updates with issues until the problem is fixed. Period. Full stop.

How dare we Luddites () pick and choose what these geniuses want to clog our property with.

Today is Doomsday, and I just can't do it, because I agree with what you write. And they know damn well we feel this way.

How long will they stomp their pretty little feet before giving the paying customers what they want? I'll wait and see. Oh wait a minute, it's "free"!

[sandhunter]

On my laptop running Windows 7 ultimate I have always let MS install all of the updates and it all ways runs very fast , except when hp does an update then it will run sluggish for a day or so , this laptop is not eligible for the 10 update so I am lucky on that front, what I am getting at is MS has made their updates so that they intertwine with each other and picking and choosing is what gets novice computer user`s like me in trouble . I not a company man!

[Rick Danger]

WindowsCentral.com

Microsoft finalizes 1GB day one Windows 10 patch

By Rich Edmonds
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:13 am EDT

Microsoft has not only been fairly open when it comes to Windows development, but the company has also been working hard to ensure the entire experience is bug-free. A sizeable day one patch for Windows 10 has been finalized, weighing in at over 1GB. It's expected this build will address multiple reported issues.

The build number reads 10240.16405.150725-1815.th1, and should roll out to consumers today while upgrading. Those of you who may be moving to Windows 10, the day one patch should download alongside the main OS files, which will update your installation to 10240.16405 by the time you finally reach the new desktop.

While the patch is clearly massive, it's worth noting that it's still early days for Windows 10 in the public domain and other issues may still need fixing. The good news from this patch is Microsoft is taking the user experience seriously to prevent another Windows 8-styled backlash.

[Rick Danger]

On the web site Gizmodo.com, a gent by the name of Sean Hollister is giving his own day by day report on the Windows 10 rollout. He seems somewhat objective, i.e., not a Microsoft apologist. Looks like his adventures are worth following:

http://reviews.gizmodo.com/windows-1...one-1719864054

[spicoli]

At some point it appears that we are all going to be using W-10 when MSFT ends W-7 support. I am not going to change until at least Service Pack 1 comes out for W-10.

A client who is fairly high up in MSFT gave me that advice. I wish that I had followed her same advice when I "upgraded" immediately to Vista. Vista was eventually OK but jumping in to it on day 1 was a frustrating experience.

If I can avoid it, I am not going to be a beta tester for MSFT again.

[EsotericKnave]

Originally Posted by a435843

Second, the reviewer pointed out a number of places where he saw placeholders for advertising. This is going to kill the user experience to the point of Vista-levels of outrage, plus the creation of a cottage industry of Windows ad blockers.

Are you saying that I might open My Photos, and see a Viagra ad because of my porn collection and my age?

[spicoli]

Originally Posted by EsotericKnave

Are you saying that I might open My Photos, and see a Viagra ad because of my porn collection and my age?

MSFT is going to know that you love pussy and that you are in the demographic for ED treatment. Welcome to the brave new world.