Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism? - Page 167

Enrico32 · July 30th, 2018, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

No one has ever voted for communism,It has always been imposed by force and everywhere that it has been imposed it has failed.Back in the Middle Ages when this thread started,I said that communism is fine among a group of like minded people but it cannot work on a national level.This has been proved time and time again,As a theory,Phrenology has better record.

N. Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos - national level.

Africa, South America, India - commune-type level (much land is used by cooperatives).

Of course, each region follows its own line of ideology but Marx gave only broad outlines, free to interpret one's own way.

**bowlinggreen** · July 30th, 2018, 03:41 AM

I remember this bit of doggerel from a book I read a long time ago, looking about it has been posted on the internet as well.

Sums up wannabe communists quite nicely.

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What is a Communist? One who has yearnings
for equal division of unequal earnings.
Idler, or bungler, or both, he is willing
to fork out his penny and pocket your shilling.

**diamelsx** · July 30th, 2018, 03:51 AM

Noam Chomsky discussing capitalism in the 19th century. Interesting

**Roubignol** · July 30th, 2018, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I concur. We should fund it as an international program, set it up an island somewhere, give them the resources to start, and then have a weekly TV reality show set up on the island that watches the communists up close and personal so we can follow developments. xyzde69 can be the first central committee chairman.

You don't need me to start a new community. You only have to write to our Western administrations to totally stop any form of embargos against Cuba and Venezuela...
and we will see how it happens.

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Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

How long will it be before they try to censor the TV cameras, by threatening the crew with homemade clubs, saying we are "interfering in internal socialist affairs", not that we will allow it, we will get to see everything this time.

I'd like to know how American medias can freely work in the US white house or senate?
TV and radio crews have to follow so many rules to work there, that can be defined to a form of censorship.

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Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

No one has ever voted for communism,It has always been imposed by force and everywhere that it has been imposed it has failed.Back in the Middle Ages when this thread started,I said that communism is fine among a group of like minded people but it cannot work on a national level.This has been proved time and time again,As a theory,Phrenology has better record.

When do you think that your government will let you to write a Constitution in which massive privileges are no more tolerated ?

A country based on a MONARCHY.

**Mal Hombre** · July 30th, 2018, 07:47 AM

A Constitutional Monarchy,As a forum Moderator I have more powers than the British Monarch....

**Roubignol** · July 30th, 2018, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

A Constitutional Monarchy,As a forum Moderator I have more powers than the British Monarch....

Constitutional Monarchy means limited powers, not... no more powers.
It seems to me that the status of moderator has risen to your head.

And speaking about privileges...

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In 2014, revenues from the Queen's domains reached a record 285 million pounds (400 million euros), according to the results released Wednesday by the Crown estate, the private company that manages the royal heritage, the one of the country's main land issues.

In REAL Communist countries, these domains would not be the property of the Queen, but of all the citizens.

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Originally Posted by diamelsx

Noam Chomsky discussing capitalism in the 19th century. Interesting

Sadly he's too old.
But would not he have been an excellent President of the USA ?

Estreeter · July 30th, 2018, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by xyzde69

You only have to write to our Western administrations to totally stop any form of embargos against Cuba and Venezuela...

Why

according to you we don't need money to survive, and Umm, I guess they don't need western products ... They have sun and tides and wind for power generation ... plenty of bananas and crops .... I guess they can stop fucking for a few years and reduce the population so their own products and resources stretch further ....just using your own previous logic that sunk into my brain

You should be all for the embargo and help stop western trade and prove your theories actually can work

**Roubignol** · July 30th, 2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Estreeter

Why

according to you we don't need money to survive, and Umm, I guess they don't need western products ... They have sun and tides and wind for power generation ... plenty of bananas and crops .... I guess they can stop fucking for a few years and reduce the population so their own products and resources stretch further ....just using your own previous logic that sunk into my brain

You should be all for the embargo and help stop western trade and prove your theories actually can work

Ahhh! I'm glad. You slowly understand me.

But still not well enough.

Let me explain:
Sadly, these poor people who were colonised or dictated by US imperialism in the past, are on several points more like you than I.
They want to throw their genes on this planet, they want to decently live.

Cuban people only wanted to live in a more egalitarian country.
Nothing else.
Just inform yourself about Fulgencio Batista and the Cuban revolution.
When Western Imperialist countries unfairly cut their external resources, they wanted to starve them.
How fair.

Did you observe which countries has tried the egalitarian revolutions?
Western Capitalist countries or... their colonies ?

Here is a very good video to develop your conscience: link

Estreeter · July 30th, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by xyzde69

Ahhh! I'm glad. You slowly understand me.

But still not well enough.

Oh I understand alright

what you fail to believe is even after all these posts that I have zero, correction , less than zero sympathy for Communism and all it's derivatives

I might feel for the people suffering under it but will under no circumstance want to help while a Communist government is in power ... why would I help something I despise

I'd help after it fell no questions asked.

Help Cuba and Venezuela

serves the population right for putting up with it ... They want it, they can have it.

Call me heartless but we reap what we sow

**Roubignol** · July 30th, 2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Estreeter

I have zero, correction , less than zero sympathy for Communism and all it's derivatives

I perfectly understood that you don't know what means REAL Communism or if you understood it, you are afraid about real freedom.

You are like a little chick who is ready to fly out of the nest... but still need the help of his parents to do the first step towards freedom.

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