Weaponry; Discussion of Rights and Responsibilities

[Rogerbh]

There were 90 mass shootings in the US in that 15 year period. 1 in Norway. Applying the Norwegian population over American population multiplied by the American mass shootings gives an expected 1.41 events in Norway over the 15 year period. The numbers in the second study have always been for the 1998 to 2012 period.

Americans seemingly can do math better than some others.

Stay away if it suits you, for whatever reason. Too much traffic as it is.

[Dr Pepper]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

I can see your point, but it was just part of the study that showed the US was not the world wide leader in Mass Shootings. That was the main point of the post. It is always pointed out countries that have lower per capita mass shooting deaths than the US, but heaven forbid when countries which have higher numbers are pointed out, especially European countries.

So am I limited to only pointing out that the US is below average in Mass Shootings on a world wide scale or should I be limited to compare it to only the countries you get to pick for a comparison? That would be as accurate as the Lankford study which compared 90 US mass shootings to 202 world wide shootings (apparently due to only using English only sources which he will not disclose). The Lott study which found another 2900 plus world wide shootings using foreign language sources should not be considered because it goes against the goal of shaming the US for its position on guns?

I guess I could consider my city of 1 million that has no mass shootings in my lifetime against New Zealand's 6 mass shootings in the same time period, but that would be cherry picking too.......and I would not bet that this trend would continue into the future.

So for a country that has more guns than people, the fact that the US is below average in producing Mass Shooters on a world wide basis is a shock to some - ?

I guess the US will continue to be compared to countries with single digit million people populations which have lower per capita deaths from mass shootings - until they don't.

I would in all sincerity suggest that the US is a statistical outlier in the whole firearms debate and drawing comparisons between the US and ANY other country in that area is a rather pointless exercise-there are no comparable countries....so take comfort from the fact that you truly ARE in a class of your own....

[Dr Pepper]

Originally Posted by crinolynne

Of course it's not one data point - there were 14 years where the data point was 0. So it's not 1 mass shooting, but, 0.07 shootings. Americans can try to wriggle and manipulate all they like but it just ain't safe there.

But that ignores the fact that the Brevik incident was the first of its kind-it WAS a watershed event in the literal sense-prior to that there had been none-since then there have been none-so how about you argue honestly and say for the previous 500 years there have been no such events (lets take 1500AD as a purely arbitrary point for handheld firearms availability....so your actual figure is 0.002 shootings....
[I am being purely contrary here to make the point about the invalidity of the comparisons..]

[Rogerbh]

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

I would in all sincerity suggest that the US is a statistical outlier in the whole firearms debate and drawing comparisons between the US and ANY other country in that area is a rather pointless exercise-there are no comparable countries....so take comfort from the fact that you truly ARE in a class of your own....

If the US isn't the world's leader in that 15 year period in either terms of Mass Shootings per population or per capita Mass Shootings murders, then how can the US honestly be called a statistical outlier?

Regarding another part of this subject, the idiots who want to be the leading Mass Shooting killer, that idiot at Sandy Hook was obsessed with the number of people killed at such events and he picked 6 year olds - I would think because 6 year olds couldn't defend themselves. That Norway idiot picked that island for the final part of his attack because there was only one security officer and limited options to run away from the shooter. The Las Vegas shooter picked a crowded event with 7,000+ people in a confined area to spray fire in order to be the leading mass killer. He probably went to his death believing he had killed more than the Norway shooter.

I am sure and probably you are sure too that somewhere in the world, someone is planning an event that will beat the 68 killed in Norway and become in their warped mind - the winner.

[Rogerbh]

I noticed these articles today. A Brit who had a "home made gun" site - https://thehomegunsmith.com/index.shtml He seemingly had the same thoughts that extremists do. What I found interesting is that the British authorities visited 50 or so people who downloaded stuff from his site.

If and when they outlaw porn in the UK, I guess they will be visiting those of you who download stuff from this site. http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle551-20100103-03.html

Then you too will have the pleasure of Law Enforcement going through the contents of your house.

*a story from one of the fifty - http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle579-20100718-07.html

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

I noticed these articles today. A Brit who had a "home made gun" site - https://thehomegunsmith.com/index.shtml He seemingly had the same thoughts that extremists do. What I found interesting is that the British authorities visited 50 or so people who downloaded stuff from his site.

If and when they outlaw porn in the UK, I guess they will be visiting those of you who download stuff from this site. http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle551-20100103-03.html

Then you too will have the pleasure of Law Enforcement going through the contents of your house.

*a story from one of the fifty - http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle579-20100718-07.html

I doubt that this will happen, not even if the porn ban which existed until the 1990s were to be revived. The police are very understaffed and there are hundreds of thousands of people to visit. They would need to focus their endeavours.

[Helenic]

I am jumping in mid-talk, but what about armed murders in general? Spousal killings with firearms, etc? That is also part of the argument, not just mass killings. Mass killings will more closely reflect a mental illness profile, so you might expect closer to the population average for industrialised countries, but firearm murders and attempted murders is a more valid comparison, because then you are comparing countries with fewer firearms and different licensing arrangements - that is, actually looking at the effetc of having the bloody things.

[Rogerbh]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

I have made this observation before, the US is just north of a number of narco states which have huge murder rates. Gangs and drugs are the main drivers of these crime rates and they aid in making our Black and Hispanic minority populations have crime rates up to 6 times of the average. Any country placed in our geographical position with our mix of races would have similar crime rates. Note most of our murders are in our large cities and 80%+ of the victims in large cities have criminal records.

I am an Asian American. If you look at crime rates of Asian Americans (leaving out those Samoan and Tongan populations) our crime rate would be like most European crime rates. White American stats are mixed with Hispanic American stats or otherwise I would think that they would also not be much different from European totals. Hell, even now our murder rates are half of Russia's.

You may think that the US is a dangerous place to be and if you lived or visited in the Black or Hispanic parts of the US, you'd be right, but the bulk of the US is as safe as any place in the world.

There is a reason why the Reverend Jesse Jackson said he was ashamed that he felt a sense of relief when he sees that it is a white man walking rapidly behind him rather than a black man.

[Rogerbh]

Apparently a Hispanic neighborhood. 5 perps targeted someone for money, jewels, unknowns. Attack late at night, target had an AK47. 3 perps dead, 2 wounded - they shot at target, but didn't hit. Appears perps were Hispanic based on the crying women in the video. https://abc13.com/5-shot-and-3-dead-...uston/5097015/

This will count as White on White crime.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

Apparently a Hispanic neighborhood. 5 perps targeted someone for money, jewels, unknowns. Attack late at night, target had an AK47. 3 perps dead, 2 wounded - they shot at target, but didn't hit. Appears perps were Hispanic based on the crying women in the video. https://abc13.com/5-shot-and-3-dead-...uston/5097015/

This will count as White on White crime.

Yeah, there seems to be more to this story. 5 people sent to home invade one guy? Yeah, this was not random at all and the police is probably looking into the homeowner.