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Old July 12th, 2017, 06:49 PM   #641
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So - should we ask the Mods to rename this thread "President Mike Pence's First 100 Days & Beyond"?

Removing Trump and bringing in Pence really scares me. Trump's ineptitude is keeping some of the right's extreme agenda at bay because Republican congressmen fear losing their jobs. There are not enough Trumpies to carry an election.

Note that Lindsay Graham has already sniffed the wind and is positioning himself for a 2020 run.
I don't want to worry you, but some folks are starting to take the idea of "President Mike Pence" more seriously....

Commentary: Is Mike Pence betting it will all come crashing down on Trump?

Vice President Mike Pence is spending considerable time cultivating big-money Republican donors at small, private events, including hedge fund managers and executives from brokerage houses, chemical giants and defense contractors, Ken Vogel reports at The New York Times. Many of these events, whose participants are kept secret from the media and are omitted from Pence's public schedule, have been taking place at the vice-presidential residence at the Naval Observatory, as well as other nongovernment venues.

While cultivating support from deep-pocketed business interests is nothing new in GOP politics, Pence's activities raise the question of whether he is doing this for Trump-Pence 2020 — or for himself. As Vogel's piece points out, Pence's intimate confabs with wealthy donors and conservative power brokers "have fueled speculation among Republican insiders that he is laying the foundation for his own political future, independent from Mr. Trump."

All of this suggests something important about Trump. Despite Pence's protestations to the contrary, the vice president looks to be preparing for his own political future. Beyond this clear signal about his own political ambitions, Pence's actions raise the question of whether he has lost confidence in Trump's ability to come out of the Russia investigation unscathed.


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Old July 12th, 2017, 08:00 PM   #642
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Not everybody on the left is on board with this Russia situation.
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From what I can see so far, Donald Trump Jnr's emails are considerably south of a smoking gun. They are extremely suspicious though, and the eagerness to meet with shady Russians to obtain compromising info against Hillary Clinton is clear enough.

No one has any right to feel surprised by this, let alone shocked. Mr Trump and his family are a bunch of spivs and wide boys going back several generations, and as they say, the apple never falls far from the tree. Arguably the lack of subtlety or finesse is as concerning as the inherent dirtiness of the intent. This lack of finesse, as much as the basic motivation, is where I see a parallel with Watergate in all this. The Watergate burglary was also intended to obtain dirt to use against the opponent in a presidential campaign, and it was just as shit-bucket stupid as going openly with emails aforethought to meet a Russian lawyer with Kremlin links who claims to know all sorts of secret information against Hillary Clinton. This crassness and obliviousness to the risk of possible blowback when using the WC in a submarine speaks to me eloquently of Donald Trump Jnr's antecedents.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 06:37 AM   #644
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Default You are in a good shape, Mrs. Macron ....

"You are in a quite good shape, Mrs. Macron ...." (... for your age), Donald Trump said on a visit in France to the wife of the French President Macron, while tracing her hips with his hands.
One has to know: Mrs. Macron is about 24 years older than her husband.

Another fauxpas of Donald Trump.
Another evidence, how infantile the behave and the mental state of this guy is.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 09:40 AM   #645
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"You are in a quite good shape, Mrs. Macron ...." (... for your age), Donald Trump said on a visit in France to the wife of the French President Macron, while tracing her hips with his hands.
One has to know: Mrs. Macron is about 24 years older than her husband.

Another fauxpas of Donald Trump.
Another evidence, how infantile the behave and the mental state of this guy is.
At least, he didn´t grab her at the p*ssy

What annoys me most are his manners in general. He never closes his jacket, even on special occasions when it´s obligatory. On more, the ties he wear are always 10-20 cms below the belt which is also a "no-go".
I wouldn´t wonder if he wore white tennis-socks under his dress

This man is the perfect example of someone who thinks that gained richdom or wealth -or the position of POTUS- is the pass for everything.

For me, he is just as laughable as Kim Yong-Un. Nothing but a "cretin". And I think that most leaders in the free world think the same and don´t take him serious. Those who did and granted him leniency at first have meanwhile realized that it´s just hot air what comes out of his mouth.

I take it like David Bowie: "This is not America"
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Old July 14th, 2017, 10:23 AM   #646
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At least, he didn´t grab her at the p*ssy

What annoys me most are his manners in general.

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Nothing but a "cretin". And I think that most leaders in the free world think the same and don´t take him serious. Those who did and granted him leniency at first have meanwhile realized that it´s just hot air what comes out of his mouth.

I take it like David Bowie: "This is not America"
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Yes !!!!

I missed the the word "cretin" in my post, thank you for that term.

OK, this is not America, but for a great part of it it's their behave ! (on my personal experience). Independent of course of the social background of those, unfortunately, bloviate about political correctness or not-. At least I name it only bad behave.
(Writing this it sounds a bit harsher than I mean it, but the central statement is correct, IMHO).
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Old July 14th, 2017, 08:38 PM   #647
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Yes !!!!

I missed the the word "cretin" in my post, thank you for that term.

OK, this is not America, but for a great part of it it's their behave ! (on my personal experience). Independent of course of the social background of those, unfortunately, bloviate about political correctness or not-. At least I name it only bad behave.
(Writing this it sounds a bit harsher than I mean it, but the central statement is correct, IMHO).
Every country has its fair share of people like Mr Trump, with crass vulgarity oozing from their pores. Plenty of people manage to be nouveau riche and still have good manners and consideration for others; it isn't necessarily a class thing. Mr Trump can flatter and even charm if he thinks it is worthwhile; but it is only the patter of a confidence trickster. Underneath that there is a very villainous person.

I won't say he is a monster or anywhere near, because there are known examples where he did take pity on people who were at his mercy. He may well have a lot more humanity than some of his presidential predecessors, such as Nixon or for that matter Bill Clinton (who was an extremely nasty piece of work, actually). But if Mr Trump were a town he would be Slough in Berkshire, England.

Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough!
It isn't fit for humans now,
There isn't grass to graze a cow.
Swarm over, Death!
Come, bombs and blow to smithereens
Those air -conditioned, bright canteens,
Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans,
Tinned minds, tinned breath.

Mess up the mess they call a town-
A house for ninety-seven down
And once a week a half a crown
For twenty years.
And get that man with double chin
Who'll always cheat and always win,
Who washes his repulsive skin
In women's tears:


And smash his desk of polished oak
And smash his hands so used to stroke
And stop his boring dirty joke
And make him yell.

But spare the bald young clerks who add
The profits of the stinking cad;
It's not their fault that they are mad,
They've tasted Hell.

It's not their fault they do not know
The birdsong from the radio,
It's not their fault they often go
To MaidenheadAnd talk of sport and makes of cars
In various bogus-Tudor bars
And daren't look up and see the stars
But belch instead.

In labour-saving homes, with care
Their wives frizz out peroxide hair
And dry it in synthetic air
And paint their nails.
Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough
To get it ready for the plough.
The cabbages are coming now;
The earth exhales.

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This is just an unbelievable amount of stupidity.

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Trump went on to say that the wall needs one thing: transparency. “You have to be able to see through it,” he explained. “In other words, if you can’t see through that wall—so it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what’s on the other side of the wall. As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them—they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over,” he added. “As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall. But we have some incredible designs.”
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I didn't vote for Trump, I voted for Gary Johnson (the marijuana legalization candidate who got 3.5% of the vote nationally!) But now that Trump is officially our President, I think the Johnson sticker will soon come off my car window, and we'll see who the third parties or Democrats run in 2020 versus Trump, should he run for re-election or even survive with the Russian [et al.] scandals against him.

I don't agree with Trump about NAFTA, because I'd rather send Mexico some American jobs' worth of new work for them versus keeping them addicted to foreign aid. I don't agree with Trump about immigration very much; he seems to be prejudiced against Latinos, openly so: Remember his comments about Marco Rubio, the Latino candidate for President? He used the term "dripping wet" and then in the next sentence "grabbed him by the b@¢k" as if to slur him, an obvious dogwhistle to the KKK and other alt-right racists who like Trump. [DISCLAIMER: I don't slur Mexicans like that, and this is not intended as a racist post, if you are a moderator reading this.]

I also don't think that the U.S. military is "geriatric" according to Trump nor "depleted". I'm not anti-abortion like Trump. And for my fifth major point of disagreement with Trump, he favors the War on Drugs except for grudgingly allowing medical marijuana, which many states have legalized independently of Washington. By contrast, Gary Johnson wanted national-level marijuana legalization and to eliminate the prison-industrlal complex that benefits from keeping marijuana / hemp / cannabis illegal.

Yet, there is one possible virtue of The Donald: "He speaks his mind".
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Yet, there is one possible virtue of The Donald: "He speaks his mind".
It seems to be difficult for him to remain of one mind in most policy areas. He tends to blow with the wind a lot, a common populist weakness.

Yet on areas I find particularly distasteful he is admirably true to his word.
  • Mexican wall? He's on it.
  • Blanket ban on Muslims entering the USA from high risk countries - he's on it.
  • Demolishing access to healthcare; re-introducing pre-existing conditions and lifetime limits? He's on it.
  • Making it legal for coal mines to pollute the drinking water? He's on it.

BTW, did you know that over 30 million US citizens are drinking dangerously contaminated tap water? Often the water contamination is life-threatening. Mr Trump does not appear to be very concerned about this.
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