Let's talk about Jazz !

[Greenman]

I prefer classical music although that has been known to be 'bastardised' by jazz - take Duke Ellington and his rendition of the Nutcracker Suite OR some fool jazzed up the Planets by Holst thinking that this was what Ellington might have done. I can also cite the Anvil Chorus(Verdi) by Glenn Miller and Rondo a la Turka, which I think was murdered by Kenny Ball? Sacrilege!!

[SoIGotTheGroov]

Wow ! there are some well educated jazz people here !



Yeah Roland Kirk was a total freak, as most of those died too early legends I've not been able to see them live, to my great disapointment. Also because it seems that I'm young compared to most of you !



About jazz and metal: well, more and more metalheads are going into jazz, probably because of the technical aspect of the learning, then for the harmonic concepts, for example an NYC based bassist, Steve Jenkins, mixes a lot jazz, prog and metal, specially with guitarist Nicholas LLerandi in Stimpy Lockjaw, probably the most versatile guitar player I know, he loves many kind of music as long as it is "good" music https://stimpylockjaw.bandcamp.com/album/stimpy-lockjaw


Jazz and classic: the essence of jazz is to borrow melodies, and reharmonize them in a "jazz sound" fashion, hence the exploration of famous classical standards. As long as the melody sounds cool to them, jazzers will cover classic, pop (specially The Beatles tunes... my pianist plays "Hey Jude" ragtime style and it's really awesome !), rock, anything !

The perfect example for that is Serge Gainsbourg: he was a well trained jazz pianist and borrowed many classical standards as leading melodies to write his most famous songs, as he said "I like the classical music. I make some small music. some "musiquette". A minor art. Thus, I borrow."
https://www.francemusique.fr/chanson...lassique-33502


And as a bassist of course Jaco Pastorius is a major influence ! and yes I do also prefer the compositions he did for the Word Of Mouth big band for example, the Jaco tune I love the most is "Three Views Of A Secret", with the late Toots Thielemans (RIP) on harmonica, pure genius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBhoDaS5SKQ


Thanks for the documentaries links ! I knew about the one with Monk, but didn't have any clue about the Bix Beiderbecke one, so definitely have to loose some hours here and there

[SoIGotTheGroov]

Originally Posted by Meini Again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htwe0NBjq4c

An Award Winning Film
Jazz on a Summer's Day (1959)

Better quality here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HieGTniox8s

[70sbuff]

Originally Posted by Davemetalhead

Just don't ask me anything about the music - I have no idea who the artists are or the songs played, except some of it is Bix Beiderbecke, hence the name of the programs...

A much different vibe from any kind of rock music, but some help using John Fogerty's lyric : 'Big wheel keep turnin', Proud Mary keep on burnin' ...as Riverboats employed jazz musicians like Beiderbecke..who upset his family by getting into jazz at all. As a kid they often worried when he didn't show for dinner, but while eating with windows open, would sometimes recognize him playing the caliope miles away when a conductor allowed him aboard the ship in the afternoon.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZZxvvgglc

[seivad]

Originally Posted by 70sbuff

A much different vibe from any kind of rock music, but some help using John Fogerty's lyric : 'Big wheel keep turnin', Proud Mary keep on burnin' ...as Riverboats employed jazz musicians like Beiderbecke..who upset his family by getting into jazz at all. As a kid they often worried when he didn't show for dinner, but while eating with windows open, would sometimes recognize him playing the caliope miles away when a conductor allowed him aboard the ship in the afternoon.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZZxvvgglc

Nice, don't listen to much jazz on record, but I love it live, as I do most music. And it's another influence to shape my own playing.

There was a place in Cardiff I used to go to 30 + years ago, The Four Bars Inn opposite the castle. Saw some great stuff there.

Dates back to 1731 apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Bars_Inn

[70sbuff]

As far as jazz with a strong feeling, the sultry film, 'Body Heat' with the heat and humidity of Florida, was shown with a bigband in the style of Harry James in the background performing, 'That Old Feeling'.. as Kathleen Turner appears. Normally, with vocals and lyric, but it's still impressive, with the music and femme fatale...and a guy in way over his head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Za9CnyOkYQ

[sdsioux]

A remake of The Postman Always Rings Twice, with a much better score but no John Garfield and Lana Turner