Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

In Germany you are free to marry a person from all over the world.

If you are marring a non EU person, you have to live with him/her at the same place for about five years.
After that time he/she can decide to become a German citizen.

If there are any doubts there are random controls at any time by officials possible.

In Britain they've almost made a profession out of scam marriages with money paid just to bring a fake partner and possibly later their dependants into the country then after the ceremony they separate and never see each other again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sham_marriage

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3369381.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...a-315000-sham/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...rriage-7043395

Plenty more where they come from.
Love and sham marriage go together like a horse and cabbage

These are pure economic migrants looking for a back door into the UK to live off taxpayers expense. Like Australia we should be concentrating on bringing in people who can add something positive to the country.

It's stories like the above that make many cynical about our pisspoor existing immigration controls.

Maybe outside the EU things may improve but I'll not hold my breath as the touchy-feely mob will still be bleating about people's rights

[bloke57]

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

Every taxpayer without children is subsidising those with them through their taxes....

Fine by me

We need young people. Too many oldies like me - and soon we won't be able to rely on immigration to fill the gaps.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by ********

So... Forced sterilization, and then people can prove that they can support their own child, educate it, provide healthcare before being allowed to reproduce?

I have no children and one of the reasons why is that I take very seriously the principle that a father and mother should be able and willing to raise and support their own kids.

[Dr Pepper]

Originally Posted by ********

So... Forced sterilization, and then people can prove that they can support their own child, educate it, provide healthcare before being allowed to reproduce?

No-but there should definitely be a licence to breed required....and a lifetime of observation convinces me a lot of people should never be issued one...

[Dr Pepper]

Originally Posted by ********

The problem with this rush to block sham marriages and stop people coming at any cost is that it forces British people out. I'll probably have to leave the UK because my wife is foreign, taking my skills with me. The UK loses a highly educated person, not to mention losing the opportunity to be repaid my student loan debt.

Britiain is going to end up a wasteland because all thee people it needs are being driven away by panic over "economic migrants" and the like.

...and all those young men lounging about in Calais want to come to Britain just so they can contribute to making Britain great again eh? And of course being moral individuals they'll refuse any and every possible assistance from the British taxpayer by being totally self sufficient-immediately find accommodation and a high paid job-especially the ones with no english...

Actually I agree with your sentiment-but not the reasoning-Britain will become a wasteland......because too many people are sucking on the taxpayers' tit and too few actually contributing to the tax take! Everyone in the UK (except those 2 nutters squatting on Rockhall!) imposes some degree of burden on the societal infrastructure-regardless of sex, age, religion, education, health status, social status and employment -the system collapses when the demands on it from those who aren't contributing exceed the input capacity of those who are. It is morally unconscionable to willfully and deliberately accelerate the process.

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

No-but there should definitely be a licence to breed required....and a lifetime of observation convinces me a lot of people should never be issued one...

Yet we seem to have a system that encourages the feckless to breed at the same time as it discourages reproduction by the better class of person

[haroldeye]

It's never encouraged me to breed and I'm as feckless as they come.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

In Britain they've almost made a profession out of scam marriages with money paid just to bring a fake partner and possibly later their dependants into the country then after the ceremony they separate and never see each other again.

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I can understand this concerns very well.

There is no scam in Germany (I think so...), because the marriage partner has to pay all the alimony, inclusive health insurance ect. .
If the partner is allowed to work (double income) after a while, he/she is able to pay for the health insurance ect. alone.
For the time of five years there is no tax support for the partner; inclusive an eventual baby (is not automatically a German citizen) .
So for the marriage person it's anything but cheap !!!

Like I said before: the marriage - partners have to live at the same place during this period.

If there is one of the points not fulfilled, the partner has to leave the country (I think within three month).

Of course there couldn't be proof of "LOVE" from the officials (that's impossible as you can imagine).
The only financial support is to learn the language with a much to low amount.

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There is an other issue going trough the German press:

They (communities ) were searching for partnerships (not marriage) for the refuges. All thought, until they had an official refugee status. Why not they thought, if they had the money.
Ha, ha, not at all, the "partners" got served the bill of the of the migrant offices. Several thousand EURO's - and a amount of money month by month.
It fulfilled me with a certain spitefulness.

The cases are now at court.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

Every taxpayer without children is subsidising those with them through their taxes....

And in turn, those children will be subsidizing pensions & old-age healthcare of those without children through their taxes

[bloke57]

Originally Posted by palo5

And in turn, those children will be subsidizing pensions & old-age healthcare of those without children through their taxes

Exactly!

I take my hat off to parents everywhere and am happy to support and educate their children. I never relished the idea of having kids - far too much like hard work for a waster like me. But I will be a pensioner soon and I will need their help just as they needed mine.