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July 3rd, 2009, 04:53 PM | #11 |
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I think films that portray realistic violence are the ones that have the most effect. Seeing Arnie mow down an entire army with a machine gun is less violent to me than a scene where a character is brutally stabbed for example. One is just unbelievable over the top cartoon style violence and the other is a much more "intimate" encounter with it.
For that reason I would say that the brutal violence in Martyrs is highly disturbing, as is the horiffic killing of the heroine in Wolf creek. Empathy for characters and their plight makes the violence all the more chilling if and when it happens to them |
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Irréversible by Gaspar Noé, where this poor sod gets his face hammered in by a fire extinguisher.
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Saving Private Ryan: the Omaha Beach sequence
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I watched that sequence and one of my strangest reactions was a deep pity for the Germans as well. They fought bravely and stuck to their guns, 200 men against 20,000, exactly as I would expect British or American boys to fight in the same place. They were on the wrong side but couldn't be expected to know that. However they must have known that, after all the damage they did, they could expect no mercy and they received almost none. The GI's mostly butchered them as they tried to surrender, (''What does bitte, bitte mean?'') and how could it have been otherwise in those circumstances? I think its remarkable, and speaks well of the American Army, that 32 POWs were taken, nearly all severely wounded: the GI's drew the line at bayoneting helpless men, possibly their blood had cooled just enough, and they did take pity on men in awful distress, even the enemy. After seeing Saving Private Ryan I realise how generous this was.
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This is what British soldiers referred to as "Too late, mate",in the First world war and probably in the second.
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The distinction between violence in the line of duty, violence in retaliation for violence, and violence as a criminal tool, or as an expression of pointless malevolence is well worth making. I personally suspect that everyone, man or woman, can kill if driven to it or if we honestly think it is our plain duty: its in our DNA.
As a small footnote I would argue that the German garrison on Omaha Beach were rather tragic figures, hung out to dry by their own side. They fought bravely for their country, not necessarily for their beliefs, same as our soldiers would have done. I'm not surprised they mostly got killed: I am a little bit surprised that the GI's didn't bayonet the wounded, which shows their basic decency as men and professionalism as soldiers after the meatgrinder they had just survived. You could argue that the Germans got off lightly in that the GIs didn't wipe the lot of them out. Soldiers don't deserve to be massacred for fighting as well as they can, but it happens all the time.
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OT but don't forget what you in Private Ryan is at 95% historically false.
Spielberg had a political agenda, he didn't much care for truth. |
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But the adjacent comments and videos on youtube are too offensive for human words to describe. That corner of the web is a shrine to Hitler, Nazism, holocaust denial and aggressive shrieks to the effect that the death camps didn't happen but ought to have happened. I'm a peaceable man most of the time, but after seeing those comments I regard WW2 as unfinished business until the posters of this filth are shot dead or surrender unconditionally to justice. I'll do the shooting if no-one else wants to. Sorry GS. I should have posted that on Things You Don't Like.
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