General Election 8 June

[westernlover47]

Now that Mrs May has called a snap General election here in the UK on 8 June almost a year to the day we voted to leave the EU there is a part of me that which having voted to leave in the Referendum I feel she has now totally shot herself in the foot doing the lection now INSTEAD of taking the opportunity in the weeks following the Referendum vote of securing a strong mandate for the Brexit process.
My biggest worry is that she may or may not secure a big enough majority to get a strong mandate and then she would be left with the possibility of having to secure a good coalition with other parties. The other fear I have is that Corbyn may now seek to bring those who voted to remain on side to the opposition and may yet gain a shock victory and could halt Brexit and reverse it so we remain part of the EU whatever happens this election will be seized upon as being a 2nd referendum vote in effect and may yet scupper Brexit altogether
One other question I have is this : - If May was to lose her seat and Corbyn retains his would that be a pointer to a shock labour victory on 8 June?

[gordian_knot]

I don't see any of that happening. The Tories may not get a landslide but I think they'll increase their majority, probably at the expense of Labour, who are hopelessly split over Brexit. If Corbyn tries to go over to the Remain side, Labour MPs in the Midlands and North will face losing their seats to the Tories or UKIP, and turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I think Labour will try to sit on the fence and talk about anything other than Brexit.

The Lib-Dems are cock-a-hoop, because the only way is up and they'll hope to scoop up a lot of pro-Remain votes. They could pick up quite a few seats in Remain areas. I foresee another electoral wipeout for UKIP.

[seany65]

I think the election is an attempt to somehow get out of brexit or at least make it so 'soft' that it may as well not be called brexit.

What would happen if the remoaner parties won or became part of a tory-led coalition? I thnk there'd probably be a 2nd referendum, which, looking at the results of all 2nd EU referenda would be won by the pro-eu lot.

I was never convinced that brexit would actually happen. Why?

1) The brexit campaign doesn't mention one single word of the anti-democratic sayings or writings of so many at the top of the EU tree, instead just goes on about 'getting back control of our borders', leaving brexiters open to a charge of racism.

2) A remainer buffoon joins the brexiters and ends up being portrayed as a sort of 'leader'.

All this was done to discredit the brexit campaign. It didn't work well enough to prevent the vote going the way of brexit.

3) When the brexiters won, almost all of the brexit 'leaders' contrived to bugger-off in some way.

This was done to make room for remainers to take control of brexit.

4) The new brexit leader who, just like the blond buffoon, had been a remainer found she had to trigger clause 50.

Before that she had kept saying 'no general election', and a little after triggering clause 50 suddenly wants a general election.

4) The party that campaigned all along for brexit has a leader that says "We're out, job done, I'm retiring!" just because of the result of the referendum, and does not actually stay until after we are actually out. The rest of the party crumbles into uncreditable silliness in an attempt to stop anyone ever voting for it again even if there's 2nd referendum.

Who can brexiters vote for now?

Not the SNP, not the liberal-democrats, not the greens, probably not the women's party(?) but I know nothing about them, ukip who will probably have very few candidates? Labour, most of whom are remainers or want to drag the party back to the right? Will the tories get enough brexit votes from people who would not normally vote tory?

There is certainly no-one I can vote for in this election.

[Greenman]

One other thing is sure, the EU will not do any kind of talking until after the election now and even then I still do not think she is going to get any kind of deal for single market-no free movement, no single market access. To persuade all 27 countries would take a Herculean task and one thing is also for sure, Theresa May might act like Thatcher MkII but she isn't anything like the stubborn original. I would love to oust the Tories out of my area but unfortunately it is one of those key areas that ALWAYS votes Tory!

[seany65]

The rest of the world seems to do well enough without access to the single market and without free movement of europeans to their countries, but somehow we are told that britain can't exist without access to the single market and free movement of europens to this country.

[ConstantOgler]

To this American it was reported as "She has only a 17 seat majority. Maybe not enough, & this will increase it."
But, but . . . the reason 17 not enough is being Tory does not guarantee carte blanche for her. Why does more Tories necessarily fix this? What will a new Tory stand for? Can you know in 40 days? Maybe another fiasco, not exactly Cameron redux but close. Maybe better.

I think Seany's post #3 is great but don't buy #5. Tell me what other country is "doing well" w/o access. You will find they do have trade access = soft Brexit or are not comparable to UK at all. (China?) Remember, you are disrupting / displacing lots of developed trade. You are prepared to replace it?

[scoundrel]

I note that Mrs May is campaigning in Bolton, Lancashire today. This is certainly not a traditional Conservative constituency; but the EU referendum has changed a lot of basic assumptions and places like Bolton, where the will of the voters was totally not being represented by the Labour Party, are more open to Tory overtures than thay have ever been in most of our lifetimes. I expect to see a serious cull of Labour MPs in the north of England.

[chris chunt]

I will be very happy to see labour obliterated on the 9th of June .
Where will the hampstead and primrose hill dinner party set go then ?

[Brecht]

Originally Posted by chris chunt

I will be very happy to see labour obliterated on the 9th of June .
Where will the hampstead and primrose hill dinner party set go then ?

The right-wing faction within Labour is doing everything in its power to make this happen. They are willing to destroy the party just to get rid of Corbyn who, apart from the treacherous Blairites, has the entire establishment and mainstream media on his back. You can't tell me that your perception of Corbyn isn't shaped by these factors. I'm not saying that there's a campaign to discredit him and the people who support him. There are other ways to distort the ideas and personality of a public figure. He is "losing support" or "tearing up the party". His ideas are "radical" and "unrealistic". Now you open the newspaper or watch the news on TV and think: yeah, that guy's ideas are far-fetched because the media "experts" say so. They are the ones who tell you what's reasonable and what's just crazy. Preserving the NHS is going to become another such crazy and radical idea soon.

[chris chunt]

Brecht .
I hate all of them .
Sending our youngsters to war then letting a self serving defence lawyer loose on them like Phil Shiner being the latest outrage that makes my blood boil .

They turned their backs on the ordinary working class long ago to just concern themselves with the ideas of the north London dinner party set .

Let's hope they get their come uppance June 9th