To be cool, or not to be cool - Page 3

smallblock · July 24th, 2010, 07:24 PM

Are you sitting comfortably, as this may take sometime,Mvasilj has asked me to bore you some more with the finer details of Hot Rodding.
The hobby/sport started pre-war in U.S.A., pre-war it wasn't called Hot Rodding(this term came post-war, it was a slang term) they were called Gow-Jobs, Hop-Ups,Soup-Jobs or Hot Irons.For the most part Gow-Jobs were Roadsters or any open car, but mostly they were Fords Model ''T''s and Model ''A''s for the most part.They were stripped of such things as fenders, running boards and windscreens to aid they're quest for speed at the dry lakes in Southern California.The cars had tuned 4 cylinder motors for the most part, until Henry Ford introduced the 1932 Ford which had the first mass produced V8 engine in the form of the Sidevalve V8, better known as the 'Flathead V8'.The '32 Ford better known as the 'Deuce' has become an icon in the world of Hot Rodding, considered by some to be the pinacle of the form.Most of the car clubs pre-war won't let closed cars such as Coupes and Sedans race at the dry lakes, this came post-war.
The hobby continued post-war by this time it had spread from it's So-Cal birth place for the most part due to G.I.s telling their war buddies about their hobby, theres a school of though that it also took off post-war due to U.S. airmen wanting to recapture the thrills of a dog fight in their P-51 Mustangs.The years 1946-1948 are the high point as far as the hobby is concerned with racing at the dry lakes being a major sport.Car shows started about this time too, where the Hot Rod not only had to go good it had to look good too, this gave birth to the duel purpose Hot Rod, Go and Show.
In the 1950's dry lakes racing was for the most part surpassed by the sport of Drag racing, with the many dis-used WWII era concrete run ways all over the States,
they were just made for thrashing your Hot Rod on and it kept the Hot Rodders form street racing.The term Drag racing comes from the term main Drag was due to the street racing boys using the main Drag as the place to race.Car shows were also a major part in the hobby at this time with some cars being built more for looks that go.
The cars shows encouraged people to wilder and wilder cars, with acres of chrome and pearl paints being the norm.The car show trend cotinued into the 1960's and beyond.
These days there are a lot of people trying to recapture the early days of pre-war and post-war Hot Rodding and the future looks GOOD, we honour the past, but look forward to what is yet to come.

Hot Rod: Less is more if it ain't needed to Go, Stop or Steer you get rid of it.

Street Rod, A lot of creature comforts, usually independent suspension on both ends, comfy interior, powersteering, fancy paint usually more than one colour,modern engine and automatic gearbox, Heck you get the picture!

I'm firmly in the first camp I'm afraid I have daily drivers for being comfortable!

Thanks for listening, I hope I didn't bore you with my potted history of Hot Rodding!I'll expalin Custom cars one day, if you can take the boredom!

Please take a look at this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU3N9wT3u0

gtos4ever · July 24th, 2010, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smallblock

Are you sitting comfortably, as this may take sometime,Mvasilj has asked me to bore you some more with the finer details of Hot Rodding.

Hot Rod: Less is more if it ain't needed to Go, Stop or Steer you get rid of it.

Street Rod, A lot of creature comforts, usually independent suspension on both ends, comfy interior, powersteering, fancy paint usually more than one colour,modern engine and automatic gearbox, Heck you get the picture!

I'm firmly in the first camp I'm afraid I have daily drivers for being comfortable!

Thanks for listening, I hope I didn't bore you with my potted history of Hot Rodding!I'll expalin Custom cars one day, if you can take the boredom!

Thanks. Hope you don't mind if I expand on your thesis a little. Your Hot Rod is nowadays being referred to as a Rat Rod as an homage the the car cartoonist Ed "Rat Fink" Roth.

What laymen think of as Hot Rods can be broken down into 2 sub categories: Hot Rods/Street Rods(pre-48) and Street Machines(48-to present).

So the 69 Mustang Mvasilj posted isn't a Hot Rod at all. Rather it's a Street Machine sub-genre Muscle Car sub-genre Pony Car. In fact the sub-genre got it's name from the Mustang and includes Chevy Camaro, Pontiac Firebird, Mercury Cougar, Dodge Challenger, Plymouth Barracuda/'Cuda, and AMC Javelin/AMX. The term Muscle Car was first applied to the '64 Pontiac GTO and refers to Factory mid-size cars with big engines previously only found in full size models.

Muscle Car (my 69 GTO

)

Pony Car (69 Mustang)

Street Rod (Milner's Deuce 5 window Coupe from American Grafitti)

Tuner (not

)

smallblock · July 24th, 2010, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtos4ever

Thanks. Hope you don't mind if I expand on your thesis a little. Your Hot Rod is nowadays being referred to as a Rat Rod as an homage the the car cartoonist Ed "Rat Fink" Roth.

What laymen think of as Hot Rods can be broken down into 2 sub categories: Hot Rods/Street Rods(pre-48) and Street Machines(48-to present).

So the 69 Mustang Mvasilj posted isn't a Hot Rod at all. Rather it's a Street Machine sub-genre Muscle Car sub-genre Pony Car. In fact the sub-genre got it's name from the Mustang and includes Chevy Camaro, Pontiac Firebird, Mercury Cougar, Dodge Challenger, Plymouth Barracuda/'Cuda, and AMC Javelin/AMX. The term Muscle Car was first applied to the '64 Pontiac GTO and refers to Factory mid-size cars with big engines previously only found in full size models.

Muscle Car (my 69 GTO

)

Pony Car (69 Mustang)

Street Rod (Milner's Deuce 5 window Coupe from American Grafitti)

Tuner (not

)

Don't mention Rat Rods as those bloody things are for the most part a mockery of the hobby

, Rat Rods are usually un-safe in a BAD way and have exaggerated features and are NOT be confussed with REAL Hot Rods.

Which are still called Hot Rods!
Ed Roth was a cool fella and had great talent unlike a lot of people who build Rat Rods!

NICE GTO by the way!

**nevermind** · July 24th, 2010, 08:58 PM

Kirk Hammett's car (Band member Metallica)

ZZ Top's famous Hot Rod...

smallblock · July 24th, 2010, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevermind

Kirk Hammett's car (Band member Metallica)

ZZ Top's famous Hot Rod...

An icon in Mr Billy Gibbon's '33 Ford and a future icon in Mr Kirk Hammett '36 Ford 3 window Coupe built be Cole Foster of the Salinas boys.

Sorry I could and do talk about this shit for hours!!

**nevermind** · July 24th, 2010, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smallblock

An icon in Mr Billy Gibbon's '33 Ford and a future icon in Mr Kirk Hammett '36 Ford 3 window Coupe built be Cole Foster of the Salinas boys.

Quote:

Sorry I could and do talk about this shit for hours!!

Why not mate..!!! we're all curious.. That's what it's all
about on a forum, exchanging interests..

snorkie · July 25th, 2010, 02:56 AM

Honestly, I have no earthly idea of what cool might be. By comparison, I make Steve Urkel look like Jay-Z.

**mrfixit** · July 25th, 2010, 05:55 AM

At different times in my life I have been called cool and dork.I don't let this bother me I just be who I am.I never cared what people consider cool.

smallblock · July 25th, 2010, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevermind

Why not mate..!!! we're all curious.. That's what it's all
about on a forum, exchanging interests..

O.K. I will, don't say I didn't warn 'y

!!!!!!!

Estreeter · July 25th, 2010, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorkie

Honestly, I have no earthly idea of what cool might be.

That was my original idea for the thread, too find out what we, VEF members, consider cool .

I mean , I still consider these

the coolest sunglasses ever, others dont..........opinions are always going too be different.

By the way, anybody agree with the sunglasses ?

July 24th, 2010, 07:24 PM	#21
smallblock Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wales Posts: 102 Thanks: 18,106 Thanked 801 Times in 98 Posts	Are you sitting comfortably, as this may take sometime,Mvasilj has asked me to bore you some more with the finer details of Hot Rodding. The hobby/sport started pre-war in U.S.A., pre-war it wasn't called Hot Rodding(this term came post-war, it was a slang term) they were called Gow-Jobs, Hop-Ups,Soup-Jobs or Hot Irons.For the most part Gow-Jobs were Roadsters or any open car, but mostly they were Fords Model ''T''s and Model ''A''s for the most part.They were stripped of such things as fenders, running boards and windscreens to aid they're quest for speed at the dry lakes in Southern California.The cars had tuned 4 cylinder motors for the most part, until Henry Ford introduced the 1932 Ford which had the first mass produced V8 engine in the form of the Sidevalve V8, better known as the 'Flathead V8'.The '32 Ford better known as the 'Deuce' has become an icon in the world of Hot Rodding, considered by some to be the pinacle of the form.Most of the car clubs pre-war won't let closed cars such as Coupes and Sedans race at the dry lakes, this came post-war. The hobby continued post-war by this time it had spread from it's So-Cal birth place for the most part due to G.I.s telling their war buddies about their hobby, theres a school of though that it also took off post-war due to U.S. airmen wanting to recapture the thrills of a dog fight in their P-51 Mustangs.The years 1946-1948 are the high point as far as the hobby is concerned with racing at the dry lakes being a major sport.Car shows started about this time too, where the Hot Rod not only had to go good it had to look good too, this gave birth to the duel purpose Hot Rod, Go and Show. In the 1950's dry lakes racing was for the most part surpassed by the sport of Drag racing, with the many dis-used WWII era concrete run ways all over the States, they were just made for thrashing your Hot Rod on and it kept the Hot Rodders form street racing.The term Drag racing comes from the term main Drag was due to the street racing boys using the main Drag as the place to race.Car shows were also a major part in the hobby at this time with some cars being built more for looks that go. The cars shows encouraged people to wilder and wilder cars, with acres of chrome and pearl paints being the norm.The car show trend cotinued into the 1960's and beyond. These days there are a lot of people trying to recapture the early days of pre-war and post-war Hot Rodding and the future looks GOOD, we honour the past, but look forward to what is yet to come. Hot Rod: Less is more if it ain't needed to Go, Stop or Steer you get rid of it. Street Rod, A lot of creature comforts, usually independent suspension on both ends, comfy interior, powersteering, fancy paint usually more than one colour,modern engine and automatic gearbox, Heck you get the picture! I'm firmly in the first camp I'm afraid I have daily drivers for being comfortable!Thanks for listening, I hope I didn't bore you with my potted history of Hot Rodding!I'll expalin Custom cars one day, if you can take the boredom! Please take a look at this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU3N9wT3u0 Last edited by smallblock; July 24th, 2010 at 07:38 PM..

July 24th, 2010, 08:58 PM	#24
nevermind Kurt Cobain 1967- 1994 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: @Home Posts: 2,043 Thanks: 34,651 Thanked 78,342 Times in 2,044 Posts	Famous Hot Rod's.... Kirk Hammett's car (Band member Metallica) ZZ Top's famous Hot Rod... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .

July 25th, 2010, 02:56 AM	#27
snorkie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gizmonics Institute Posts: 521 Thanks: 2,711 Thanked 4,566 Times in 510 Posts	How would I know? Honestly, I have no earthly idea of what cool might be. By comparison, I make Steve Urkel look like Jay-Z. __________________ Searching for Swedish Erotica #0186 - SWING TIME (John Holmes, Johnny Keyes). Also, PLEASURE CRUISE (Andrea True, Harry Reems).

July 25th, 2010, 05:55 AM	#28
mrfixit Vintage Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Elm Street Posts: 9,401 Thanks: 166,066 Thanked 114,860 Times in 9,416 Posts	At different times in my life I have been called cool and dork.I don't let this bother me I just be who I am.I never cared what people consider cool.