Problem Reports, Questions & General Announcements - Page 22

**Pepper II** · June 19th, 2016, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by effCup

Something for MIR mods. to consider: I've often thought how valuable it is when folks here find a box post link for an existing query, including sometimes a query that's already got its own box post. These are not "solves" but can still be very valuable steps towards such.

I may be mis-remembering but I think exfarmer once mentioned how he would try to include some minor rewards/tweaks in favour of such folks when he was doing his fortnightly or monthly HoF summaries/round-ups. Well, that's long gone, and mystery box solves are also (rightly) more generously rewarded these days. That got me thinking: is there scope in the current system for rewarding "box finders", or not/would that be too complicated?

I also thought the weekly/fortnightly mystery box "feature" was an excellent/fun idea, i.e. trying to keep people interested in solving old puzzles. Is there scope for restoring such now or not?

No, I don't have anything specific in mind for any of the above, & nothing retrospective, just asking/kite-flying. /shrug/

It comes down to a matter of finding the time, really. At present there is no time for additional features and we're really not keeping up with the existing workload as it is.

We need help to continue some of the existing section perks. These would be the Hall of Fame Game, the Directories of Solved Requests, and the Directories of Unfolded Mysteries. If anyone wishes to take these on just send me a message. These are all things which could be done as a regular member and on your own schedule.

**Immy** · June 22nd, 2016, 04:41 PM

2010/511 = 2014/977

**highwayman274** · June 22nd, 2016, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immy

2010/511 = 2014/977

Thanks, Immy

A back-link has now been added to the 2010 MB entry.

Will leave it to Pepper II to determine if the 2010 and 2014 MB posts should be consolidated / merged,

**Rubinski** · June 22nd, 2016, 05:14 PM

I see a few of the same photos in both requests, so I will merge them, using the 2010 request for the root.

Thanks for the match up Immy!

loom22 · June 23rd, 2016, 01:48 PM

Hello everyone, can I make a model request if i don't have a photo? I can only describe what I have seen in the past (from early 90s).

**effCup** · June 23rd, 2016, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loom22

Hello everyone, can I make a model request if i don't have a photo? I can only describe what I have seen in the past (from early 90s).

You can try but first you'll need to earn at least 150 thanks from other members for your posts on vef, see here.

**Pepper II** · July 6th, 2016, 04:03 AM

There has been some discussion in the past as to how requests which match an XNK designated model in one of the major databases should be handled. The model section Mods don't like this sort of thread title but it is important for all the information which has been amassed here to be preserved. We've hashed it over some and this is the department policy, at least for now:

We will mark the request thread as being solved. Then the thread will be moved intact to the PMT where it can be preserved and the members can continue to add relevant material. It will remain there until such time as it can be moved to one of the model thread sections.

**exfarmer** · July 6th, 2016, 09:24 AM

Sounds a good idea,

I'm just a little worried that if those threads were moved to the PMT section they might get forgotten about. What I mean is, several of our members (especially the ones who only visit Model I.D occaisionally) may not bother looking in that subsection.

Would it make the threads more visible to have a new "models unknown on any database" type of subsection thingy to keep them in a more prominent position and hopefully more content added?

Just an opinion, it needs to be whatever works best for you guys. New sections would increase your (the mods) workload and it's quite high already.

**effCup** · July 6th, 2016, 10:01 AM

I doubt this would fly with others/mods. but: in my view members shouldn't be able to start model threads except in an area such as a PMT section (not necessarily within/under the MIR umbrella). That would help to "corral" folks who start threads with e.g. the first CeeCee name they find, or without any evidence for the thread/model name posted inside the thread itself, & various other such lacks.

Provided it remained an area of active interest for others, similar to how MIR works, there'd be scope for people to match such threads up with existing ones, or add info. to refine ids as well as contribute content, etc.

In such a scenario many threads would quickly progress to the relevant sections--cp, sm, modern, etc.--while others would have to linger awhile until better info. was gleaned.

The objective is simply to add some rigour to the way in which threads are shaped. We all know that there has to be much looseness with MIR queries & bits & pieces being assembled because that's an organic process, but the PMT idea is about the desire to then organise a thread into a better shape--e.g. including relevant info. in the first post such as aliases, links to relevant indexes such as iafd, egafd, etc.--before "releasing" it more widely.

Those are the sorts of things that don't seem to be being consistently done within some model thread sections, as we occasionally find turning up in relation to some MIR queries.

But maybe I'm simply expressing a forlorn hope that by such means the general membership can help lift the game of model section mods?

Oh right, go wash my mouth out.

**Pepper II** · July 6th, 2016, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by effCup

I doubt this would fly with others/mods.

You've pretty much summed it up, there. Don't forget we have a very dedicated core group of scholars in this section along with others who just have a vast knowledge of the various models and performers. But this is a tiny percentage of the members who contribute to the model sections and an even tinier percentage of those who simply enjoy the show.

Quote:

Originally Posted by exfarmer

Would it make the threads more visible to have a new "models unknown on any database" type of subsection thingy to keep them in a more prominent position and hopefully more content added?

Creating a new subsection was considered but for now the PMT should suffice. If we start to accumulate a more significant number of XNK threads then a dedicated subsection would be justified.

June 22nd, 2016, 05:14 PM	#214
Rubinski Classic Models Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Avatar is NGC1097 Posts: 4,075 Thanks: 58,423 Thanked 133,787 Times in 3,984 Posts	I see a few of the same photos in both requests, so I will merge them, using the 2010 request for the root. Thanks for the match up Immy! __________________ Read the VEF rules Read the section rules before posting that section Do Not post written thanks in content threads Instead, Click To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Check your uploads and reup when needed Dupe uploads (mirrors) in your posts would be great On images, create a gallery A mirror image gallery would also be great Just link your mirror into your post Use different hosts for mirrors If you need help, or know a better way PM me

June 23rd, 2016, 01:48 PM	#215
loom22 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4 Thanks: 7 Thanked 18 Times in 4 Posts	model request without photo Hello everyone, can I make a model request if i don't have a photo? I can only describe what I have seen in the past (from early 90s). Last edited by loom22; June 23rd, 2016 at 02:01 PM..

July 6th, 2016, 09:24 AM	#218
exfarmer avvie pic by Estreeter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Essex, England Posts: 13,737 Thanks: 109,422 Thanked 182,656 Times in 13,045 Posts	Sounds a good idea, I'm just a little worried that if those threads were moved to the PMT section they might get forgotten about. What I mean is, several of our members (especially the ones who only visit Model I.D occaisionally) may not bother looking in that subsection. Would it make the threads more visible to have a new "models unknown on any database" type of subsection thingy to keep them in a more prominent position and hopefully more content added? Just an opinion, it needs to be whatever works best for you guys. New sections would increase your (the mods) workload and it's quite high already. __________________ I no longer have time to upload videos, sorry.

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June 22nd, 2016, 04:41 PM	#212
Immy Maestro Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sin City Posts: 4,505 Thanks: 26,113 Thanked 83,656 Times in 4,342 Posts	2010/511 = 2014/977

July 6th, 2016, 04:03 AM	#217
Pepper II Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sunny South Florida Posts: 7,852 Thanks: 163,934 Thanked 119,241 Times in 7,641 Posts	There has been some discussion in the past as to how requests which match an XNK designated model in one of the major databases should be handled. The model section Mods don't like this sort of thread title but it is important for all the information which has been amassed here to be preserved. We've hashed it over some and this is the department policy, at least for now: We will mark the request thread as being solved. Then the thread will be moved intact to the PMT where it can be preserved and the members can continue to add relevant material. It will remain there until such time as it can be moved to one of the model thread sections.

July 6th, 2016, 10:01 AM	#219
effCup *Vintage Idiot* Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: History Posts: 22,133 Thanks: 226,710 Thanked 356,731 Times in 21,628 Posts	I doubt this would fly with others/mods. but: in my view members shouldn't be able to start model threads except in an area such as a PMT section (not necessarily within/under the MIR umbrella). That would help to "corral" folks who start threads with e.g. the first CeeCee name they find, or without any evidence for the thread/model name posted inside the thread itself, & various other such lacks. Provided it remained an area of active interest for others, similar to how MIR works, there'd be scope for people to match such threads up with existing ones, or add info. to refine ids as well as contribute content, etc. In such a scenario many threads would quickly progress to the relevant sections--cp, sm, modern, etc.--while others would have to linger awhile until better info. was gleaned. The objective is simply to add some rigour to the way in which threads are shaped. We all know that there has to be much looseness with MIR queries & bits & pieces being assembled because that's an organic process, but the PMT idea is about the desire to then organise a thread into a better shape--e.g. including relevant info. in the first post such as aliases, links to relevant indexes such as iafd, egafd, etc.--before "releasing" it more widely. Those are the sorts of things that don't seem to be being consistently done within some model thread sections, as we occasionally find turning up in relation to some MIR queries. But maybe I'm simply expressing a forlorn hope that by such means the general membership can help lift the game of model section mods? Oh right, go wash my mouth out.