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Old December 19th, 2009, 05:40 PM   #11
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Although the term "Going for a piss" would have outraged polite Victorian society, they did often remark: "I'm going for a Jimmy", sometimes adding: "I might as well try for pony as well whilst I'm there". I think it was Oscar Wilde who claimed that it was to avoid social awkwardness and embarrassment that Cockney rhyming slang first came into usage amongst the upper classes.

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'Going for a Jimmy' - still used today, at least by me! Short for 'Going for a Jimmy Riddle' - rhyming slang for piddle. I've no idea if Jimmy Riddle ever existed or who he was if he did!
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My public school and bank holiday questions were asked semi-jokingly, but I've wondered about "made my toilet" ever since getting into the Flashman novels about 15 years ago. My guesstimate as to it's meaning was fairly close to your explanation, so hooray for me.



I've seen and read the phrase "Wednesday week" several times. Elvis Costello wrote a song called "Wednesday Week". I recently discovered there was a girl rock band in the '80s called Wednesday Week (predictably, they were American).

The thing is (Do you say that in the UK?) I've NEVER heard the term used with any other day of the week except Wednesday. Maybe I've led a sheltered life.
We most certainly use the term 'Monday Week' round my house. In fact in the family I've heard it expanded to 'Tuesday fortnight'!
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And there's a thing. I'd heard tell that Americans (U.S.A), neither used nor understood the term 'fortnight', and yet I've recently read Uncle Tom's Cabin (Part of a package of Wordsworth Classics from Amazon), and the word 'fortnight is used and understood several times. Another (Urban) myth dispelled?
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Checked with wiki and Eton was founded by Henry VI in 1440 specifically for the education of 70 Poor Boys. The fee payers sort of joined later.

Before the reformation all church schools were Roman Catholic (and educated people for the church). After the Reformation most of the church schools became protestant or anglo catholic Grammar schools and became far more secular. From about 1530 to roughly 1800 Roman Catholicism was not exactly the flavour of the month.
Eton College's origins as a charitable seat if learning are not in dispute; I merely pointed to the fact that Eton was the first school to describe itself as a 'public' school - which is a fact that stands irrespective of the principals upon which it was originally founded.

What is in dispute, however, is why the term 'public' is ascribed to the type of fee-paying schools that the rest of the world would regard as 'private' - which I think was the basis of the original query. In this context the term 'public' can not be inferred to mean free as in 'free of charge' (as you seemed to advocate), but merely free insofar as entry was not restricted (theoretically) on the grounds of class or religion.

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This is, I assume, British slang, and I've never quite figured out the meaning: "Bob's your uncle."
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This is, I assume, British slang, and I've never quite figured out the meaning: "Bob's your uncle."
Bob's your uncle is a commonly used expression known mainly in Britain, Ireland and Commonwealth nations. It is often used immediately following a set of simple instructions and carries roughly the same meaning as the phrase "and there you have it" or "quickly"; for example, "To make a ham sandwich, simply put a piece of ham between two slices of buttered bread, and Bob's your uncle."

In some places in Britain, "Bob's your uncle" is also a way of saying "you're all set", "you've got it made!" or "that's great!" and is used as an expression of jubilation at good fortune. It is used thus in the Alastair Sim film Scrooge, a version of the classic Dickens story A Christmas Carol, where a reformed Ebenezer Scrooge confronts his housekeeper, Mrs Dilber, on Christmas morning. He gives her a guinea (£1.05 in that era, and equivalent to about $100 today) as a Christmas present, and announces he will significantly raise her salary. In a burst of excitement the housekeeper responds, “Bob’s yer uncle! Merry Christmas, Mr Scrooge, in keeping with the situation!”. However, this may be an anachronism, as A Christmas Carol was first published by Dickens in 1843 and as outlined above the expression (in the later film) was not in use at that time.

Usage has evolved to the expressions "Robert's your father's brother", "Robert's your auntie's husband" and "Robert's your mother's brother" as synonymous phrases. "Fanny's your aunt" appears later.
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Bob's your uncle is a commonly used expression known mainly in Britain, Ireland and Commonwealth nations. It is often used immediately following a set of simple instructions and carries roughly the same meaning as the phrase "and there you have it" or "quickly"; for example, "To make a ham sandwich, simply put a piece of ham between two slices of buttered bread, and Bob's your uncle."

In some places in Britain, "Bob's your uncle" is also a way of saying "you're all set", "you've got it made!" or "that's great!" and is used as an expression of jubilation at good fortune. It is used thus in the Alastair Sim film Scrooge, a version of the classic Dickens story A Christmas Carol, where a reformed Ebenezer Scrooge confronts his housekeeper, Mrs Dilber, on Christmas morning. He gives her a guinea (£1.05 in that era, and equivalent to about $100 today) as a Christmas present, and announces he will significantly raise her salary. In a burst of excitement the housekeeper responds, “Bob’s yer uncle! Merry Christmas, Mr Scrooge, in keeping with the situation!”. However, this may be an anachronism, as A Christmas Carol was first published by Dickens in 1843 and as outlined above the expression (in the later film) was not in use at that time.

Usage has evolved to the expressions "Robert's your father's brother", "Robert's your auntie's husband" and "Robert's your mother's brother" as synonymous phrases. "Fanny's your aunt" appears later.
Ask a question and, quick as a flash thanks to Oswald, Bob's your uncle and there you have it!
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Ask a question and, quick as a flash thanks to Oswald, Bob's your uncle and there you have it!
The expression may refer to Robert Cecil,Lord Salisbury giving the prestigious post of Chief Secretary for Ireland to his nephew Arthur Balfour,Hence Bob's your uncle.
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I never had an uncle Bob - which is a pity, because I think Bob is an excellent name for an uncle. I did however have an uncle Dickie, which is also quite a good name for an uncle - but not as solid or dependable as Bob. A Bob will always be there for you and teach you how to roller-skate or help you build a go-cart, whereas a Dickie will lead you astray by showing you the best way to dodge a bus fare or bunk into the pictures. On second thoughts, I think I prefer Dickie.

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Well, I'd never say that I prefer Dickie, but anyway, we say "Bob's your uncle" over here, too. Like..."just turn it this way, and nail it right there, and bang! Bob's your uncle"! Done!
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