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Old May 3rd, 2014, 05:21 AM   #1021
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Let us not forget that there are not only accents there are also dialects! And the difference between a few towns can be incredible! For example, a west Cornish Accent is smooth and gentle, a Camborne accent is as rough as rats, and almost indecipherable! And that is within about fifteen miles!
There was a recently a discovery of recordings of English WWI POWs, made by German linguists. They're a record of how ordinary people spoke, circa 1915. They break them down by county -- fascinating to listen to. These are ordinary people, a record of local accents before radio began to homogenize them

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Old May 3rd, 2014, 08:03 AM   #1022
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England is not a part of GB?When did they get their independence?The same time we did?I knew us Yanks would stir up the revolt in other places too!Viva la revolucion'!
There are four nations that form Great Britain, England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland, each of those four have separate identities, and the nationals of each tend to call themselves English, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish. Most of us tend to identify more by our Country of birth rather than as British, there is national rivalry, most light hearted, although it does have a more serious side, and each of the nations has its own representative assembly, with the exception of England, Each also has its own national sports teams. So although British we tend to call ourselves firstly by the country of our birth.
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N. Ireland is not part of Great Britain, it is however part of the UK.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 10:28 AM   #1024
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England is not a part of GB?When did they get their independence?The same time we did?I knew us Yanks would stir up the revolt in other places too!Viva la revolucion'!
There are four nations that form Great Britain, England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland, each of those four have separate identities, and the nationals of each tend to call themselves English, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish. Most of us tend to identify more by our Country of birth rather than as British, there is national rivalry, most light hearted, although it does have a more serious side, and each of the nations has its own representative assembly, with the exception of England, Each also has its own national sports teams. So although British we tend to call ourselves firstly by the country of our birth.
Savage is playing with fire a little bit here (wouldn't be the first time). The peoples of the British Isles have very long history and do enjoy playing with one another; sometimes not quite sporting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PtQKVsHB70
It is well known that many Scottish football fans would root for the Charles Manson Baby-Slaughtering 11 if they were playing against England. For example, Scotland song for when their team went to Argentina for the World Cup in 1978:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcE86JmIN3E
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We're representing Britain and we're gonna do or die;
Well, England cannae do it cos they didnae qualify!

He who laughs last laughs longest. Scotland were eliminated in the first round.
Scotland 1 - Peru () 3
Scotland 1 - Iran () 1
Scotland 3 - Holland 2
Three points and eliminated on goal difference.

Yet, and here is where Savage does not know the forces he is playing with, no matter what we do or say among ourselves, we remain mutually loyal when AN Other tries to mess with any of us.

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N. Ireland is not part of Great Britain, it is however part of the UK.
Britain,Great Britain and the British Isles are geographical terms.Britain is the island containing England, Scotland and Wales (alphabetical order to avoid offence) , Great Britain is Britain plus the surrounding islands and the British Isles comprise Great Britain plus the island of Ireland.
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Britain,Great Britain and the British Isles are geographical terms.Britain is the island containing England, Scotland and Wales (alphabetical order to avoid offence) , Great Britain is Britain plus the surrounding islands and the British Isles comprise Great Britain plus the island of Ireland.
Britain is an island. Ireland is an island. The only people who use the term British Isles is the British.
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The term British Isles is widely used by geographers and geologists. And Rupert should have known better than to describe Wales as a Nation, it is not it is a principality. Wales has never had a King or Queen a its Head of State only a prince so it is a principality.
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The term British Isles is widely used by geographers and geologists. And Rupert should have known better than to describe Wales as a Nation, it is not it is a principality. Wales has never had a King or Queen a its Head of State only a prince so it is a principality.
Being a principality does not stop you from being legally a nation. There are few examples left in the world because most of the European principalities, dukedoms and electorates were absorbed into bigger countries during the 19th Century, but there are a few of them left:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality (google is brilliant)
  • Monaco (think of Grace Kelly)
  • Lichtenstein: recently in serious hot water for harbouring tax evasion
  • Andorra: though called a principality Andorra does not actually have a monarchy.
Also the Spanish region of Asturias is autonomous and runs itself as a principality, but within Spain, a little bit like Imperial Germany used to allow regional monarchist autonomy as long as the inferior royal families knew their place, and regardless of which self-governing part of Germany you lived in, you were stll a German citizen.

I consider Wales to be one of the four nations (sorry, billybunter, I know you don't consider Northern Ireland to be one of the four; lets just say it is arguable either way). If Wales ever went her own way, she might turn herself into a principality again along the lines of Monaco; that could have advantages. But I hope an independent Wales (or Scotland) is a far day from now and I not here to see it.
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And Rupert should have known better than to describe Wales as a Nation, it is not it is a principality. Wales has never had a King or Queen a its Head of State only a prince so it is a principality.
Might not one hundred per cent agree with that! Although Ancient History, Wales did have a King!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Wales
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruffudd_ap_Llywelyn
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As I said Wales in not a nation and Northern Ireland is a province.
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