Feel terrible for John McCain but................

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by navvet

I beg to differ, Scoundrel. Although Bill Clinton had the morals of an alley cat, I thought he did a pretty decent job as president. I don't believe that McCain could've done any better.

It is only speculation of course. But I personally cannot forgive Mr Clinton for bombing the pill factory in Sudan; totally spurious grounds. The real reason was to distract attention from the Monica Lewinsky story. How many people died in Sudan because the supply of life-saving medication was cut off by this bombing? I regret to say that Mr Clinton is a murderer and a really vile piece of work.

I should mention in passing that neither Mr Clinton nor his successor, George W Bush actually served in Vietnam; whereas Mr McCain most certainly did. He was/is a much better man than either of these, though admittedly that's a pretty low bar to clear.

[sobaka]

Remember, it was under clinton's watch where the seeds were sown for the real estate crash and where the US government started selling itself off to the PRC (for campaign donations, nothing changes)

[Navvet]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

It is only speculation of course. But I personally cannot forgive Mr Clinton for bombing the pill factory in Sudan; totally spurious grounds. The real reason was to distract attention from the Monica Lewinsky story. How many people died in Sudan because the supply of life-saving medication was cut off by this bombing? I regret to say that Mr Clinton is a murderer and a really vile piece of work.

I should mention in passing that neither Mr Clinton nor his successor, George W Bush actually served in Vietnam; whereas Mr McCain most certainly did. He was/is a much better man than either of these, though admittedly that's a pretty low bar to clear.

Certainly, Clinton wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. However, he restored America to prosperity after the Bush recession, and he lowered the national deficit. The attached article says it better than I can.

http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/accomp.htm

As I said, morally he was a disgrace, but his accomplishments in the oval office can't be ignored. Whether or not Clinton can be called a murderer, is something that will have to be debated by historians and philosophers.

[Baxter49]

What does any of this have to do with McCain going to the Mayo Clinic for his government entitlement of free health care, then vote to take coverage from millions without any conscience at all before going home to rest and collect more taxpayer money?

[sandhunter]

Originally Posted by Baxter49

What does any of this have to do with McCain going to the Mayo Clinic for his government entitlement of free health care, then vote to take coverage from millions without any conscience at all before going home to rest and collect more taxpayer money?

John McCain had several options , being a Veteran he could of went to the VA Hospital or the Mayo Hospital like he did (his wife's family owns the land it sits on ) , so where would you go ?

[Faceman675]

Originally Posted by Baxter49

This man if given choice would deprive his fellow American's of bare coverage they get now, that would kill and bankrupt most with his condition, while he goes to Mayo Clinic and has his bills paid for?

I hope he beats cancer, but know if he does he would not give any thought to politics and party above common decency and repeal the same healthcare that he enjoyed in his recovery.

NONONONONO.....

Nice try but McCain like all members of congress are not subject to Obama Care. The Democrats when they passed it made sure that they would not fall under this POS law that was designed to fail so they could push a single payer, government take over of health care.

My friend is one of the many people severely hurt by this evil law, Obama care. He is in the position of having to pay a little more in penalties then the cost of a low end policy under Obama Care. His premium is a little over $200 a month for a low end Bronze plan. Not bad you say but.... His deductible is almost $10000. He is a 34 year old MAN in very good health yet he is forced to buy a policy the would require him to spend almost $12400 before his insurance pays 1 cent of his medical bills. He looks at his policy as a catastrophic illness policy since is highly unlikely to ever surpass the cost of the policy + the deductable.

However should he ever reach that deductible he has the peace of mind knowing should HE ever get pregnant it will be covered and HE will have preventative measures like Mammography and visits to HIS OBGYN also covered.

There is a big difference between Health Insurance and Health Care. Seriously what good does it do to have a policy that you can't afford to use that covers health issues that you could never have need of.

BTW he did not get to keep the plan or the Doctor that he had before Obama Care. Obama = Lying sack of Shit.

[Faceman675]

Originally Posted by navvet

Certainly, Clinton wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. However, he restored America to prosperity after the Bush recession, and he lowered the national deficit. The attached article says it better than I can.

http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/accomp.htm

As I said, morally he was a disgrace, but his accomplishments in the oval office can't be ignored. Whether or not Clinton can be called a murderer, is something that will have to be debated by historians and philosophers.

What Clinton policy created the economic boom that occurred while he was in office?

Clinton was the beneficiary of a tech boom, that created a bubble that burst his last year in office and resulted in a mild recession that started during G.W. Bush's first year in office. Without the tech boom Clinton would have presided over a stagnate economy at best. Besides Al Gore creating the internet what Clinton policy created the tech boom?

You mentioned the G.H.W. Bush's (papa Bush) recession. What caused that recession? The raising of taxes. Yes Bush signed that raise in taxes breaking a campaign promise and deserves a share of the blame, but who's policy was it to raise taxes? Which party passed the raise as part of a compromise with the Bush administration? If you want to label this the Bush recession than Clinton has to take credit for the recession that started his last year in office.

There are things a president can do to boost the economy but in the case of the 90's I am still waiting to hear of a policy put forward by Clinton or the Democratic party that caused the economic prosperity of the 90s.

[Baxter49]

Originally Posted by sandhunter

John McCain had several options , being a Veteran he could of went to the VA Hospital or the Mayo Hospital like he did (his wife's family owns the land it sits on ) , so where would you go ?

I think he should have been a Maverick and gone where his ACA replacement plan would apply to everyone else to set the example his plan would help all Americans, starting with himself.

[Navvet]

Originally Posted by Faceman675

What Clinton policy created the economic boom that occurred while he was in office?

Clinton was the beneficiary of a tech boom, that created a bubble that burst his last year in office and resulted in a mild recession that started during G.W. Bush's first year in office. Without the tech boom Clinton would have presided over a stagnate economy at best. Besides Al Gore creating the internet what Clinton policy created the tech boom?

You mentioned the G.H.W. Bush's (papa Bush) recession. What caused that recession? The raising of taxes. Yes Bush signed that raise in taxes breaking a campaign promise and deserves a share of the blame, but who's policy was it to raise taxes? Which party passed the raise as part of a compromise with the Bush administration? If you want to label this the Bush recession than Clinton has to take credit for the recession that started his last year in office.

There are things a president can do to boost the economy but in the case of the 90's I am still waiting to hear of a policy put forward by Clinton or the Democratic party that caused the economic prosperity of the 90s.

The Bush recession wasn't caused solely by Bush's raising of taxes, and the breaking of his campaign promise. However it was caused, in a large part, by the constant raising of taxes. Remember, that over the course of eight years, Ronald Reagan raised taxes eleven times. He also "borrowed" (and never repaid) $2.7 trillion from social security in order to give massive tax cuts to wealthy people, and corporations. His brilliant "trickle-down-theory" eventually fell flat on it's face. Both, liberal and conservative, economists are generally in agreement that such supply-side economics doesn't work (a tactic which is currently being endorsed by Trump, BTW).
As for a bubble bursting, Ronald Reagan's economic policies finally "burst" in the middle of Bush's term, causing the recession that drove him from office.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Baxter49

I think he should have been a Maverick and gone where his ACA replacement plan would apply to everyone else to set the example his plan would help all Americans, starting with himself.

I suspect that if I had the bad luck to be diagnosed as Mr McCain has been I would not be treating the matter as an opportunity for political theatre. I would simply be treating survival as my main objective.