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Old April 6th, 2012, 12:31 AM   #131
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Indeed, the USA was much more German. There were many communities throughout the Eastern Seabord, the Midwest, the plain states, and the Northwest that were very German. Lots of Scandinavians throughout the northern part of the US too and they also opposed the war in Europe.
At the time, the thought was that the blue bloods were pro-Brit (wealthy Americans had been Anglophiles since the late 19th century, JP Morgan was built on Peabody's business selling canal and railroad bonds to Britain-- that financed much of western development . . . Peabody himself moved to the UK), while the people weren't.

Wilson gets points for, uniquely, having attempted to think systematically about what should happen after the War. During the war, his Administration recruited academics and philosophers to a body known as "The Inquiry" to try to decide on what terms peace should be made. It is widely thought that the American terms -- easier on Germany-- would have, if adopted, been less likely to foster extremism (not clear that this is true, but it was believed at the time).
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April 6, 1915
Western Front The French continue to gain near Verdun and make minor gains in Alsace. There is fighting on the Meuse front. The French open the Battle of the Woevre, attacking the north face of the St. Mihiel salient.
Eastern Front The Russians make a small advance in the Niemen sector. Marwitz’s new German corps attacks the Russians at Kosziowa, taking 6000 prisoners.
Serbian Front An artillery duel near Belgrade ends in the silencing of the Austrian guns.
Caucasus The Russians enter Artvin.
British East Africa A German raiding force is defeated at Karunga.

April 6, 1916
Western Front, Verdun The Germans make minor progress between Bethincourt and Hill 265.
Western Front, Elsewhere The Germans regain two craters at St Eloi.
CaucasusRussian troops drive the Turks across the Kara Dere.

April 6, 1917
United States George M. Cohan writes Over There.

April 6, 1918
Western Front There is heavy fighting at Aveluy Wood, near Albert, near Hebuterne, and near Montdidier.
Finland Red resistance at Tampere ends. White casualties have been about 1000. The Reds have lost 2000 men plus another 10,000 captured. The Red Guards begin a slow retreat eastwards.
Caucasus Turkish troops occupy Ardahan.

April 6, 1919
Germany Bavaria becomes a Soviet Republic. True Communists refer to it as a “Coffee House Republic”.

April 6, 1920
Russia Whites in eastern Siberia organize the Far Eastern Republic, sometimes known after its capital as the Chita Republic, under Japanese protection. Semyonov and his Cossacks are abandoned.
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April 7 – May 19, 1897
Greece A Greek-Turkish War results in significant Greek reverses. A peace treaty in December limits Greek control of Crete and foreign troops occupy the island. The Turks withdraw their troops in 1898.

April 7, 1915
Western Front There is indecisive fighting near St. Mihiel.
Eastern Front The Russian advance in the Carpathians has slowed, but still continues.
Egypt There is a skirmish near El Kantara.
Germany The Minority Socialists publish a manifesto against the war.
Libya The Senusi defeat an Italian column at Wadi Marsit.
Russia There are bread riots in Moscow.

April 7, 1916
Western Front, Verdun The French repulse an attack southeast of Haucourt.
Eastern Front There is renewed fighting around Lake Naroch. The Germans continue to hold.
Caucasus Three Turkish counterattacks on the Kara Dere are repulsed.
Egypt A British motorized column, in Model T’s, raids Moraisa, 18 miles from Sollum.
Britain The first married men are called up.

April 7, 1917
Western Front The British make a small advance northwest of St. Quentin.
Diplomatic Relations Passed by both houses over modest opposition (373-50 in the House and 82-6 in the Senate), the declaration of war is brought to the White House, where at 1:18 PM, the President signs it. German ships in American ports are seized. Cuba declares war on Germany.
American Forces It is understood that American involvement will be slow to build, as the United States currently has only 5791 officers and 121,797 enlisted men in its ranks, with an additional 80,446 officers and men in the National Guard, many of the latter still deployed along the Mexican border. There is little heavy equipment and no combat aircraft or tanks.
The fleet possesses a powerful force of dreadnought battleships and a significant destroyer and submarine force. The cruisers, however, are all old armored or protected cruisers, none suitable for modern combat.
Rumania Bulgarian 3rd Army reports that the Germans intend to control Dobruja themselves and seize all food there for shipment to Germany; meanwhile 3rd Army cannot even obtain its own rations from the German Military Government.

April 7, 1918
Western Front The British repulse two attacks on Bucquoy.
Diplomatic Relations Moscow sends a protest to Germany about the landings in Finland and protests to the Allies over the Vladivostok landings.
Finland Communist forces evacuate Helsinki.
Palestine Sherifian troops occupy Kerak.

April 7, 1919
Britain The Grand Fleet is dissolved.
Egypt The British announce the release of the deported Wafd leaders. British reinforcements begin to arrive and, throughout the summer, gradually restore order, though some unrest continues to simmer.

April 7, 1920
Germany French African troops in Frankfurt, jeered by a mob, open fire, killing seven.
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Old April 7th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #134
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In April 1917, the British Royal Flying Corps experienced what was pretty much it's lowest ebb. It was being called upon to provide artillery spotting and aerial photographs in the lower Seine valley in support of a major British offensive, the Battle of Arras. This offensive was meant to be a companion piece to the French offensive which is recorded in history as the Nivelle offensive or the Second Battle of the Aisne. It was hoped that co-ordinated offensive action would overcome the German advantage of prepared defensive positions.

I always used to think that the horendous casualties sustained by the RFC in these few weeks were proof of the callousness and stupidity of the staff at HQ level. These people certainly were questionable, especially in their failure to research and develop parachutes, a failure which meant that most aircrew were lost if their aeroplane was lost. But I have recently discovered that there was a very rational and valid military justification for their decision to make RFC aircrews operate at terrible risk in skies which were dominated by the Albatross DII and DIII scout planes of the Imperial German Air Corps.

What the British had:


What the Germans had:

The RFC were wildly outclassed by the Germans at this moment in the war. New types were coming, but not yet; and the crisis was now.

The Army, which so recently had regarded the RFC as a frivalous waste of resources, were adamant that they must have the aerial photographs. The artillery spotting was vital also. RFC aircrews did what the Army needed them to do; their cold blooded courage was awe-inspiring. In about 4 weeks, the RFC lost two thirds of its men and machines; 245 aircraft out of 365 deployed. 211 pilots and observers were killed or missing, never to be found. 108 were slightly luckier, being taken POW; but in WW1, one in eight British POWs taken by the German Empire died of starvation, a crime for which the Germans involved were never punished as they should have been. The German squadrons lost 66 aeroplanes in the fighting. But the photographs kept getting back; if one machine was lost, the British sent three and kept sending more until the photos were obtained.

The tactical aims were achieved. When the troops went over the top the intelligence on German troop concentrations was accurate and up to the minute and the German counter-battery fire was feeble, because the artillery spotting had worked and the British guns had knocked out most of the German guns before the whistles blew. The advance succeeded in capturing Vimy Ridge (at last) and in forcing the Germans to retreat across a broad front. But the Nivelle offensive had been such an incredible failure that even as the poor French troops continued to attack in thousands and be mown down, the Germans were able to transfer reserves from the Aisne and counter-attack in the British Commonwealth sector. The British Army learned very important tactical lessons in that they employed artillery far more cleverly than before and it got results; the RFC were vital to this new approach to using artillery scientifically. But the tragic failure of the Nivelle offensive further south vitiated the British success and prevented what could have been a breakthrough, turning it into just one more costly stalemate.

However, the RFC, at huge cost to itself, had shown what airpower could do and have proven the absolute necessity of introducing updated aircraft so that this air support could go on. Without new aircraft capable of fighting the Albatross, the RFC would have run our of pilots and the supply of photographs would have stopped; QED. This air support was integral to the later achievements of the British Army in the final months of WW1. So Bloody April was the darkest hour, just before the dawn.
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Old April 7th, 2012, 06:07 PM   #135
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...in WW1, one in eight British POWs taken by the German Empire died of starvation...
Is that as many as the number of Germans bayoneted or shot after they surrendered to the British?

But the 'starvation' numbers are unknown to me. What is the source?
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Is that as many as the number of Germans bayoneted or shot after they surrendered to the British?

But the 'starvation' numbers are unknown to me. What is the source?
You can't sit behind a machine gun ,mow down waves of enemy soldiers and then when the Enemy reach your lines, expect to just put up your hands and surrender."Too late,Mate" as the Tommies used to say.
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You can't sit behind a machine gun ,mow down waves of enemy soldiers...
I wasn't there, but that's exactly what I'd do if someone fired a few million artillery shells at me

Anyway, where do these starvation numbers com from?
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Anyway, where do these starvation numbers com from?
My source is the BBC Timewatch documentary series, which did a special edition on the treatment of Commonwealth POWs by the Imperial German government; it was despicable. The men most in danger were men captured alone. Whole units stuck together, pooled resources and mates who received food parcels shared with mates who didn't, so they all had a better chance. If you were captured alone and the food parcels didn't get through from your family quickly enough, you would die; QED. The Germans did not supply enough food to keep you alive, and they worked the prisoners in hard manual labour even as they starved, all totally illegal even then. One man who never got his food parcel was passed fit for work and turfed out of sickbay on the day he died. His medical prescription from the doctor who passed him fit for hard labour simply said Aspirin und arbeit. That doctor is exactly the sort of man who should have been hanged for his complicity in this crime.

I can't find a link to the Timewatch special but here is a link which supports the one-in-eight cited in that program.
http://www.btinternet.com/~prosearch/tomspage19.html

Many of the survivors were quietly repatriated via the obscure port of Boston, Lincolnshire and the story was hushed up in the interests of cementing the Armistice. Also, other POWs had fared worse, notably British and Commonwealth troops captured by the Turks after the Siege of Kut in Mesopotamia, Serbians captured by Austria-Hungary, Russians captured by both Germany and Austria-Hungary, and Austro-Hungarians captured by Russian forces. In all these cases, there were simply too many mouths to feed and not enough food to go round, and sometimes the great typhus epidemic of 1915, which tormented poor old Serbia, played a malign part in prison camps where men were already malnourished and weakened.
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I can't find a link to the Timewatch special but here is a link which supports the one-in-eight cited in that program...


Your link does not mention the word 'starvation'
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You can't sit behind a machine gun ,mow down waves of enemy soldiers and then when the Enemy reach your lines, expect to just put up your hands and surrender."Too late,Mate" as the Tommies used to say.
It's impossible to put us into the frame of mind that attacking soldiers must have been it.Sheer terror, seeing friends and comrades killed and wounded all around you and trained to kill, no way would a machine gunner escape lightly.
Yet strange things have been reported-on one occasion advancing troops found a group of Germans sitting round playing cards in a shell hole and were left alone.
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