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**palo5** · November 14th, 2018, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by haroldeye

I think the Tartars who were kicked out might disagree Palo.

Is that what they tell you? Nearly all of them were kicked out by Stalin in the middle of the last century. It should be in your history books

But like Mal says, back on topic: Brexit today

It seems May has a plan that will distress many in UK. If what they say is true (the text has not been published yet) UK will stay in the customs union, and will not be allowed to leave it unless both parties agree

This means they will be subject to ECJ jurisdiction in some matters indefinitely, and will not be able to make their own trade deals. It also means they will be a "rule-taker" without representation in the EU Parliament and other EU organs. In other words, they will be unable to influence policy or laws, but will have to do what they're told

Why it will distress many? Because it will break two Brexit "red lines": sovereignty, because they won't be making their own laws; and sovereignty again, because they will be subject to ECJ jurisdiction

Knowing the sentiments of some colleagues on this forum, it will cause them more than distress -- it may cause rage, because they'll be worse off in every conceivable way, and still won't have gotten what they wanted

But as mentioned, the text has not been published yet

**palo5** · November 14th, 2018, 06:56 PM

Full text of the draft agreement here. It's 587 pages, but loads quickly:

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...greement_0.pdf

To take effect, it must be passed by UK Parliament, all 27 EU member states, and the EU Parliament

**Greenman** · November 14th, 2018, 07:02 PM

Well amazingly it has just been announced that the Cabinet have backed the Brexit draft agreement. Now lets see what happens with others and the country.

It also seems to have sorted out the Gibraltar problem(sovereignty rights of the UK over Spain's consistent plea that it is theirs)and perhaps the Irish problem-not mentioned as I type this BUT here is the BIG caveat-the UK will still be under the laws and customs of the EU even after we leave the EU up to December 2020-this is NOT what the people voted for and this is the gamble that May made-the people will be very angry about this-we've not heard the last of this by any means.

**SanteeFats** · November 14th, 2018, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildtig2013

There are people spending 99 years in prison for stealing a pack of cigarettes.

Well they do cause emphysema and cancer so it is a preventative, proactive move by the government. m

**Reclaimedwg** · November 15th, 2018, 12:10 AM

Then there is this:

https://news.google.com/stories/CAAq...S&ceid=US%3Aen

**charliels531** · November 15th, 2018, 12:17 AM

I rarely have opinions about other nation's politics, given the deranged dotard we have, but my brief scan of the Brexit document reads like someone wants to declare victory, move on, and retire before the whole thing blows open.

**old alal** · November 15th, 2018, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Well, from the look of him, he'll be doing his 20 years as a prison bitch, washing socks and sucking cocks, so I wouldn't feel too disappointed.

Are you saying it is not nice in American Federal Prison, and that if you look, well wierd..... they will make you wash socks! Barbaric. He might ne better shoving those socks up his arse

The most expensive divorce in history has been agreed at this end at least. We now need to get on with the real negotiations. Assuming Parliament lets us.

**judy84** · November 15th, 2018, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Well they do cause emphysema and cancer so it is a preventative, proactive move by the government. m

The govt are still pumping out that propaganda to raise taxes.

In years to come we will wonder how we were taken in and it was vehicle exhaust fumes that were causing most emphysema and cancers.

**Mal Hombre** · November 15th, 2018, 08:11 AM

Mrs May's new deal could lead to substantive negotiations but Labour and the DUP will torpedo it..

**cicciobuki** · November 15th, 2018, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by judy84

The govt are still pumping out that propaganda to raise taxes.

In years to come we will wonder how we were taken in and it was vehicle exhaust fumes that were causing most emphysema and cancers.

Yea, it couldn't possibly be both, hm?

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November 14th, 2018, 06:56 PM	#35892
palo5 Former Staff Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 16,579 Thanks: 452,836 Thanked 222,658 Times in 16,567 Posts	Full text of the draft agreement here. It's 587 pages, but loads quickly: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...greement_0.pdf To take effect, it must be passed by UK Parliament, all 27 EU member states, and the EU Parliament

November 15th, 2018, 12:10 AM	#35895
Reclaimedwg Vintage Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,414 Thanks: 7,709 Thanked 26,946 Times in 3,089 Posts	Then there is this: https://news.google.com/stories/CAAq...S&ceid=US%3Aen

November 15th, 2018, 12:17 AM	#35896
charliels531 Vintage Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,909 Thanks: 42,425 Thanked 62,691 Times in 4,879 Posts	I rarely have opinions about other nation's politics, given the deranged dotard we have, but my brief scan of the Brexit document reads like someone wants to declare victory, move on, and retire before the whole thing blows open.