What if you lived in Australia? - Page 191

**haroldeye** · March 3rd, 2015, 07:46 AM

If I lived in Aus I would demand the return of Natalie Bennet. With her in Europe many Europeans are reaching the view that all Aussies are loud mouthed arseholes good for nothing but serving beer in low quality alehouses.

**effCup** · March 3rd, 2015, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SanteeFats

the US has annexed several territories over the years that were not contiguous to it's borders. Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Philippines, etc.

Texas and Hawaii were annexed, although in the latter case only after several refusals. Hawaii bears some resemblance to Eastern Ukraine & Russia

with the coupsters who overthrew the queen soon seeking the protection of the US military. California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Puerto Rico, Guam, & the Philippines were all ceded. Spain also relinquished Cuba but the US decided against formal annexation. Alaska was purchased. (Some info.)

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Originally Posted by SanteeFats

I am sure that the British Empire is even more culpable since it has been around much longer.

Culpability is quite a different matter from [extra-]legal/political means. Over time one can accumulate more things to be culpable for, but time itself does not make one more or less culpable for any given thing. European colonization was highly varied in its means.

**SanteeFats** · March 3rd, 2015, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

Annexed or simply claimed, SF?

You can take your pick DP.

**Dr Pepper** · March 3rd, 2015, 05:07 PM

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing-at the nuts and bolts level. My definition of 'annexing' would be something along the lines of: 'the coerced or forcible incorporation into a state, of territory internationally recognised as part of another state, against the wishes of the majority of the population of the incorporated territory and such government as may exist-and generally not accepted by the international community. 'Coercion/Force' in this context might not mean military force but could include political and economic pressure.

I don't think the concept of 'annexing' (as it is currently used) had meaning until late in the 19th century-as the concept of internationally recognised borders and international community didn't really exist until then.

I'm thinking along the lines of the Sudetenland, the West bank and Golan Heights, Goa, and some of the contentious areas on the India-China border region.

I also note my definition is a bit more focused than most of the dictionary ones...

Tarkus666 · March 4th, 2015, 02:10 PM

[QUOTE=effCup;3213860]Sorry, couldn't see your embedded, base64-encoded(?) jpg image so may have missed a hidden meaning,

It was my bad. I forgot about the 180x180 limitations and image was a bit too big... let us say it involved an Ovis aries in a compromising position.

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Originally Posted by effCup

An aside: a NZ parliamentary select committee toured Oz investigating the option of joining prior to Federation in 1901. In their report they argued against the idea in significant part because of the racism they observed, particularly in parts of Qld.--e.g. against immigrant labourers working in the sugar-cane industry. Sadly, they were perhaps blind to the racism that existed then (& still in parts today) in NZ.

Fortunately there is no racism in New Zealand... err...

I still like to bug Americans by asking them what is the closest country to Australia and without a blink they say New Zealand. Then I ask about Papua New Guinea and they say "huh" okay second closest. What about Indonesia? "huh" Singapore?

I just thank the stars that the Tasman Sea keeps the Tasmanian Devil away from the Kiwis. Even Bug Bunny had a hard time keeping that brute in check!

Estreeter · March 4th, 2015, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by haroldeye

If I lived in Aus I would demand the return of Natalie Bennet.

If that's that real smart Green chick

No thanks, I don't need, want, desire her within Cooeeeeeeee distance from me

**Motorboater** · March 5th, 2015, 09:43 AM

Just going back to that doco series I was referring to. What if you lived in Australia, in Melbourne in the late-1800s, and were the husband of a woman called Nellie Wright?

There you are, smacking, abusing her, physically and verbally. Discouraging her from singing. Trying to force her to get welfare payment out of her father.

Then after a divorce, She goes off to France to apply for singing training at an exclusive school. Then goes on to be the most famous Australian of the time. Due to her career coinciding with the invention of the gramophone. She then earns an unimaginable amount of money.

I reckon you'd feel a little sheepish, don't you agree? edit: I'm referring to the woman who is now known as Dame Neliie Melba!

But never mind Melbourne in the 1800s. Where the 8 hour working day was agreed upon. Look at the English workers at the time. 16 hour working days! No wonder Poms hate unions. They destroyed their utopia of stealthily bludgeon everyone to death work hard labour !

Estreeter · March 7th, 2015, 02:18 PM

What if I lived in Australia ???

Well, If I did

, I'd have spent the last few days
driving

**deepsepia** · March 7th, 2015, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Estreeter

What if I lived in Australia ???

Well, If I did

, I'd have spent the last few days
driving

At that speed?

Wow, they're tearing up the track . . . they look to be somewhere West of Lorne, if I remember it

When I drove it, it was in a very topheavy Troopy, not one to take the corners in any fashion other than very, very carefully.

**9876543210** · March 7th, 2015, 10:19 PM

Estreeter,

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Originally Posted by Estreeter

What if I lived in Australia ???

Well, If I did

, I'd have spent the last few days
driving

Ahhhhh, the good old days! I used to always drive like that. Some of the most fun I've ever had. Even though its dangerous as hell. Will always remember one incident when coming home from a race at Road America (a four mile long road course north of Milwaukee) I took the "short cut" through the Kettle Moraine (tight winding corners with a few straight a ways). Came up a hill at probably over 100 mph and launched, only to see a 90 degree corner coming quickly. Slammed the brakes and did a hard left. Somehow made it but was now going down the road sideways in between big trees in front and back of me. Why I didn't hit any of those trees or start rolling over I'll never know.

Did I learn from that? Nope. Slowed down for the rest of that trip but within a few days was back to being Speedy Gonzalez. Sniff!

Now I drive a pickup truck which barely reaches 70 mph.

March 5th, 2015, 09:43 AM	#1907
Motorboater Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 4,325 Thanks: 41,490 Thanked 38,247 Times in 4,299 Posts	Just going back to that doco series I was referring to. What if you lived in Australia, in Melbourne in the late-1800s, and were the husband of a woman called Nellie Wright? There you are, smacking, abusing her, physically and verbally. Discouraging her from singing. Trying to force her to get welfare payment out of her father. Then after a divorce, She goes off to France to apply for singing training at an exclusive school. Then goes on to be the most famous Australian of the time. Due to her career coinciding with the invention of the gramophone. She then earns an unimaginable amount of money. I reckon you'd feel a little sheepish, don't you agree? edit: I'm referring to the woman who is now known as Dame Neliie Melba! But never mind Melbourne in the 1800s. Where the 8 hour working day was agreed upon. Look at the English workers at the time. 16 hour working days! No wonder Poms hate unions. They destroyed their utopia of stealthily bludgeon everyone to death work hard labour ! Last edited by Motorboater; March 5th, 2015 at 10:18 AM..

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March 3rd, 2015, 07:46 AM	#1901
haroldeye Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Halfwitistan Posts: 5,715 Thanks: 113,487 Thanked 59,962 Times in 5,707 Posts	If I lived in Aus I would demand the return of Natalie Bennet. With her in Europe many Europeans are reaching the view that all Aussies are loud mouthed arseholes good for nothing but serving beer in low quality alehouses.

March 3rd, 2015, 05:07 PM	#1904
Dr Pepper Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: NZ Posts: 4,035 Thanks: 70,712 Thanked 40,937 Times in 4,026 Posts	I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing-at the nuts and bolts level. My definition of 'annexing' would be something along the lines of: 'the coerced or forcible incorporation into a state, of territory internationally recognised as part of another state, against the wishes of the majority of the population of the incorporated territory and such government as may exist-and generally not accepted by the international community. 'Coercion/Force' in this context might not mean military force but could include political and economic pressure. I don't think the concept of 'annexing' (as it is currently used) had meaning until late in the 19th century-as the concept of internationally recognised borders and international community didn't really exist until then. I'm thinking along the lines of the Sudetenland, the West bank and Golan Heights, Goa, and some of the contentious areas on the India-China border region. I also note my definition is a bit more focused than most of the dictionary ones...