Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[Wendigo]

But the driving power behind those 27 Western countries is increasing political union and not just trade and economics.
Although more people voted this time there was still less than 50% across Europe voting in EU elections, why does the EU have such a hard time persuading people to vote?

[victor meldrew]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

But the driving power behind those 27 Western countries is increasing political union and not just trade and economics.
Although more people voted this time there was still less than 50% across Europe voting in EU elections, why does the EU have such a hard time persuading people to vote?

A lot probably wondering, why do we need TWO governments.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by victor meldrew

A lot probably wondering, why do we need TWO governments.

What !!!!!!

Don't they know

Originally Posted by frankoboff

You do not fuck with Jean Claude.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

What to make of the residual minorities who stayed loyal to Labour and the Conservatives is a bit harder to say. Plenty of Brexit and Remain votes lurking in there, I would think, but how they divvy up is not clear.

Then there are the 63% who failed to vote.

This would all seem to be evidence for the case: "Its not wise to attempt to use plebiscites to frame a constitution".

It would have been far better had it come out of a conventional political party and a conventional campaign

But "the best way to get there ain't from here" isn;'t really any kind of travel advice, and I suspect that this means the UK gets a Brexit, probably with no deal in place

[frankoboff]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

I learned something interesting yesterday,To quote Sean Bean,"One does not simply go on WTO rules"We'll have a detailed plan covering services and 5,000 goods,Then get agreements with 163 other countries,We had enough trouble with 27 (Mostly) Western democracies....

"We'll have" or "we have"?

WTO rules aren't enforced rules and you can tell this from the current Trump vs China, Trump vs Canada, Trump vs Iran, Trump vs th rest of the World debarcle. Actually countries shit on eachother outside of formal trade agreements all the time.

Adhoc trade agreements outside of designated trade blocks isn't the way the sane world is going.

[frankoboff]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

What to make of the residual minorities who stayed loyal to Labour and the Conservatives is a bit harder to say. Plenty of Brexit and Remain votes lurking in there, I would think, but how they divvy up is not clear.

Then there are the 63% who failed to vote. Their own fault, if they wanted their opinion to be heard, because if you don't vote you don't count. However, that 63% is more likely to be Eurosceptic than Europhile - it was after all an opportunity to express support for the EU - and there was a 72% turnout in 2016. It seems likely that some of these 63% will show up if there really is a 2nd referendum.

However, it is an interesting speculation to read the runes in this election. But if this is an opinion poll on a second referendum, then I'd say there's too much margin for error in either direction.

UK's EU election turnout history:-

1979- 32.35%
1984- 32.57%
1989- 36.37%
1994- 36.43%
1999- 24%
2004- 38.52%
2009- 34.7%
2014- 35.60%
2019- 37%


Only up 1.4% over 2014 which is interesting, doesn't really tally with the level of media attention or debate around these elections.

The split in that vote, mostly to remain parties with TBP sucking up the Tory vote outside big metros.

I know some life long Labour voters who wouldn't vote for anyone else so I presume it's the same for the Tories. I know a few Tory voters but they don't talk about politics much.

[palo5]

From what I can see, slightly more than one third voted in UK yesterday, and the Brexit party got slightly less than one third of that vote. So they have one third of one third, which is nothing close to a majority

There is no easy way out of this for UK. A new PM will have the same problems as the last. If he tries to get "no-deal" there will be a no-confidence vote which he will lose, followed by a general election. Many dread this

Given that EU will not re-negotiate the deal UK already has, the only other option is a new referendum, which they dread almost as much

My colleague Wendigo suggests a new referendum could split UK even more. Seriously? How could it be more split than it already is?

What UK lacks is a leader

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by palo5

My colleague Wendigo suggests a new referendum could split UK even more. Seriously? How could it be more split than it already is?

Quite simply because right now we largely have a difference of opinions, most people are content to just exchange words, a few dicks on either side go further but it is largely civil.

The one thing that yesterday's vote showed would be that an Apathy party would have won with a large majority as 63% of voters were not interested in these EU elections.
The 2016 referendum had a turnout of 72% the EU is fast becoming a major turnoff for the majority of people across the UK.

I do agree we lack a leader but it definitely isn't Corbyn or Cable

[palo5]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

The one thing that yesterday's vote showed would be that an Apathy party would have won with a large majority as 63% of voters were not interested in these EU elections.
The 2016 referendum had a turnout of 72%

So you're saying that in 2016 two thirds did care, but in 2019 two thirds don't care, and of the one third that do care today, only one third want Brexit

Doesn't sound like a revolution to me

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by palo5

So you're saying that in 2016 two thirds did care, but in 2019 two thirds don't care, and of the one third that do care today, only one third want Brexit

Doesn't sound like a revolution to me

I am not actually saying anything, merely pointing out the figures. People can read into them whatever they want as with ALL statistics.

In some countries revolutions can take place without killing the rulers