Weaponry; Discussion of Rights and Responsibilities - Page 56

**diamelsx** · August 13th, 2018, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyLuck

There were definitely grounds to charge him IMO. They appear to have learned their lesson about over charging like they did to Zimmerman. Manslaughter is the correct charge. That said, I think this will be a tough conviction to win. If I was the defendant I'd be getting Mark O'Mara on the phone pronto.

the question you got to ask is does Drejka have the means or the connections to secure a attorney on the caliber like Zimmerman could whose father was a judge. Is crowdfunding game better be right.

**HugoHackenbush** · August 13th, 2018, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by diamelsx

the question you got to ask is does Drejka have the means or the connections to secure a attorney on the caliber like Zimmerman could whose father was a judge. Is crowdfunding game better be right.

I think you're overstating the effect of the attorney here. Zimmerman should have never been charged because they didn't have enough evidence. A charge of second degree murder where the only eye-witness to the entire event is the Defendant, who cannot be compelled to testify, is a lousy case, and an over-charged case at that.

With Drejka, you got the surveillance footage, plus the GF in the car. Totally different set of circumstances, and not over-charged, i.e. manslaughter, not 2nd degree murder.

**LadyLuck** · August 14th, 2018, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by diamelsx

the question you got to ask is does Drejka have the means or the connections to secure a attorney on the caliber like Zimmerman could whose father was a judge. Is crowdfunding game better be right.

I don't know that O'Mara has ever been paid by Zimmerman. O'Mara originally took on the case pro bono and then found out Zimmerman and his wife had some sort of GoFundMe type of thing setup that was getting a lot of donations to start with. The defense bill was several million dollars. Zimmerman even hit the state of Florida up to try to get them to cover part of it. I think the state should cover the legal fees for the defendant in the case of any acquittal in a criminal proceeding. They do that some of the time in civil proceedings. It would make them think twice before filing charges. I have little faith in our legal system and almost none when it comes to law enforcement.

**diamelsx** · August 14th, 2018, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by HugoHackenbush

I think you're overstating the effect of the attorney here. Zimmerman should have never been charged because they didn't have enough evidence. A charge of second degree murder where the only eye-witness to the entire event is the Defendant, who cannot be compelled to testify, is a lousy case, and an over-charged case at that.

I'm talking about the Drejka case here. I wonder if I'm going up to the second degree murder was sort of a backhanded way of not really trying to charge the casing get a conviction as a favor to the father

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Originally Posted by HugoHackenbush

With Drejka, you got the surveillance footage, plus the GF in the car. Totally different set of circumstances, and not over-charged, i.e. manslaughter, not 2nd degree murder.

if Max for should suffice. I believe the real reason they decided to charge dreka was they paid attention to the other district attorney's in this situation where they would be Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, and most recently Michael Brown all voted out of office and figure it might be in there best interest to at least put up a case.

**Rogerbh** · August 14th, 2018, 02:51 AM

I thought a key factor in the Zimmerman case when in the police taped interview, as Zimmerman explained that the Martin was on top of him and trying to bust his head into the sidewalk - the police lied and said they had the fight on video tape - Zimmerman was visibly relieved and stated something like "thank god, I thought you guys were not going to believe me." Pretty much guaranteed he would walk right then, no matter who his attorney was.

**Rogerbh** · August 28th, 2018, 09:47 PM

Yeah, I know, 11 school shootings is 11 too much - but it is better than 235.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018...gs-that-werent

**bowlinggreen** · August 28th, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogerbh

Yeah, I know, 11 school shootings is 11 too much - but it is better than 235.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018...gs-that-werent

Perhaps some Obama-era appointees are engaging in fake news?

You know, it's strange, that in places where the Hard Left/Communists achieve power, they are always quick to disarm the citizenry at large, even though they claim to be freeing the people from capitalist tyranny. If they are so interested in real equality, then why take the guns?

Here's an article by leftists claiming that it is CAPITALISTS who want to take away the guns:

http://www.marxist.com/gun-control-a...s-struggle.htm

Yet in real life it seems the opposite is true. Capitalist Republicans in the USA try to avoid passing gun control laws whenever possible, and Democrats/social progressives are the ones calling for the banning of guns whenever there is a mass shooting. And I don't have to point out the restrictions on gun ownership in the former USSR or Red China - you can't have one.

crinolynne · August 29th, 2018, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

You know, it's strange, that in places where the Hard Left/Communists achieve power, they are always quick to disarm the citizenry at large, even though they claim to be freeing the people from capitalist tyranny. If they are so interested in real equality, then why take the guns?

Oh? I don't believe you. Please provide actual references.

**bowlinggreen** · August 30th, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by crinolynne

Oh? I don't believe you. Please provide actual references.

That's easy enough to find out. Read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overvi...laws_by_nation

China, no guns, except for a few hunting guns, once you have been very carefully sniffed over and given special permission.

Ditto Vietnam.

Castro went on a gun-confiscation spree after gaining power. Apparently only one revolution was allowed, since his was the "just" one.

As far as I can find out, North Korea bars private ownership too, unless you are very much in favor with the Party, i.e. Kim Jong Un's shooting buddy.

The USSR had the same sorts of rules, a few hunting rifles and shotguns for the peasants who lived way out in the hinterlands and had to deal with wolves or trap for fur, but having a pistol or other quasi-military gun got you sent to the gulag.

So why do Communists fear guns in private hands so much? Are they afraid a capitalist army is going to magically form from the people and displace them from power?

**Rogerbh** · August 30th, 2018, 01:19 AM

I'll just add Venezuela - Hugo Chavez banned private ownership in 2012 but they arm their supporters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Venezuela

Watching Nicaragua might be interesting, they limit gun ownership but if the violence gets worse, certainly changes will happen. https://www.thenation.com/article/tw...ful-crossroad/

Chairman Mao had the right idea - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...arrel_of_a_gun

August 14th, 2018, 02:51 AM	#555
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,935 Thanks: 50,615 Thanked 91,391 Times in 10,784 Posts	I thought a key factor in the Zimmerman case when in the police taped interview, as Zimmerman explained that the Martin was on top of him and trying to bust his head into the sidewalk - the police lied and said they had the fight on video tape - Zimmerman was visibly relieved and stated something like "thank god, I thought you guys were not going to believe me." Pretty much guaranteed he would walk right then, no matter who his attorney was.

August 28th, 2018, 09:47 PM	#556
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,935 Thanks: 50,615 Thanked 91,391 Times in 10,784 Posts	Yeah, I know, 11 school shootings is 11 too much - but it is better than 235. https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018...gs-that-werent

August 30th, 2018, 01:19 AM	#560
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,935 Thanks: 50,615 Thanked 91,391 Times in 10,784 Posts	I'll just add Venezuela - Hugo Chavez banned private ownership in 2012 but they arm their supporters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Venezuela Watching Nicaragua might be interesting, they limit gun ownership but if the violence gets worse, certainly changes will happen. https://www.thenation.com/article/tw...ful-crossroad/ Chairman Mao had the right idea - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...arrel_of_a_gun