Are men really interested in more female porn viewers ?

[Caroline-NL]

Originally Posted by shasta

Take the immorality away from porn, strip it of its danger, tame it and cage it, and you've just lost 99% of the porn audience.
You're posturing as an "open-minded" modern woman (as is the wont of feminists) but I notice you haven't posted any pictures or movies on this forum. If you're so titillated by visual erotica why don't we see this reflected in your contributions. I get the sense you're on this forum to conduct research for some dissertation you're going to write for a sex studies course.

@Shasta: My research ended in 2003. Ive finished my studies long ago. I dont post pictures or movies for moral and legal reasons. I think I dont have to go into detail here. " tame it and cage it ": if you look at the majority of porn, its already caged. US laws are very strict, but porn is still a major industry in the States. Porn hasnt to be "taboo" to interest women, the opposite is true. In the 90s, here it wasnt taboo, but normal, when a young women rented or bought a porn mag. Because some series had a high reputation and girlfriends watched it too, it was no unusual thing to do. Now its much, much more unusual, government and media tell us, its "taboo", so fewer and fewer women watch porn. ( changed age laws are also responsible for this, but I dont want to open this bottle again ). I only have to look at myself, I never would had watched porn movies, if my classmates havent "forced" me. "Convinced" isnt the right word here, because I only looked at it to tell them, that I dont like it. And to my surprise I really enjoyed it, because it was so different from the primitive women hating porn stuff Ive seen in Germany.
Yes, religion is really a problem, especially the "true Christians". They are a splinter party, but now in our new government. They have tons of money for
propaganda. I suppose this money comes from the USA.

Originally Posted by shasta

If women come to completely accept the porn that men like, we will have to come up with new concepts of what is erotic. Which is fine, but it's not going to happen.

I am not sure, if I understand your message to 100%. "We" already have these new concepts. Only very, very few men like Abby Winters lesbian porn movies, but they are popular among younger women. Feature Movies like "All about Anna.:" had almost as much female viewers as male viewers.
( 40 : 60 ) in the german videostores I questioned. Seventeen and some of the danish CCC/Filmlab Classics were and are popular too. But the later were marketed for men only. If you have a CCC movie in your hand, you usually have a blatant title and an idiotic back-cover text. There is no indication of the fun and self irony some stories ( not all ) have. It also not helps to rack softer porn that could interest women with " SM Slaughterfest " or "Max Hardcore ". Have you ever visited a book shop, where " Zombie Island Massacre " was racked together with erotic novels ? No bookseller would do this, but you find this in at least 3/4 of the sex shops.

[Caroline-NL]

Originally Posted by hartwig

What do you think, Caroline-NL, are women less interested in porn than men are?

Depends on the country, the culture, the age, but usually they are less interested. It is partly a result of the education and socialisation, but also the result of a flood of primitive, stupid, mysoginistc, idiotic and boring porn movies. Especially the gonzo gangbang stuff, directed by womenhater for womenhater, isnt a great help. If you ask average women, what picture they have of porn, their picture more resembles a horror movie, as an erotic movie.
I only have to look at the german "porn" movies, GGG, Inflagranti, BEX, etc. Either women are treated like objects, or the language is primitive, or both. Except from extreme masochists, no woman can enjoy this, or ?

[Xxphd]

..Pornografie galt lange Zeit als Domäne der Männer. Frauen waren in diesem Genre nur als Objekte männlicher Begierden anzutreffen. Doch heute werden pornografische Filme, Bilder, Texte, Comics und Performances immer häufiger auch von Frauen produziert. Die Dokumentation spürt dem wachsenden Selbstverständnis nach, mit dem Frauen ihre sexuellen Fantasien und Bedürfnisse in erotischen Werken umsetzen..

Donnerstag, 27. März 2008 um 23.15 Uhr

[hartwig]

Originally Posted by Caroline-NL

Depends on the country, the culture, the age, but usually they are less interested. It is partly a result of the education and socialisation, but also the result of a flood of primitive, stupid, mysoginistc, idiotic and boring porn movies. Especially the gonzo gangbang stuff, directed by womenhater for womenhater, isnt a great help. If you ask average women, what picture they have of porn, their picture more resembles a horror movie, as an erotic movie.
I only have to look at the german "porn" movies, GGG, Inflagranti, BEX, etc. Either women are treated like objects, or the language is primitive, or both. Except from extreme masochists, no woman can enjoy this, or ?

Well I don't think it's that extreme, I mean that guys who direct or act in gonzo movies are womenhaters. Actually these women act in these movies voluntarily and keep coming again... most of the time because they saw those movies and found them very arousing, at least they say so.
There's women doing all sorts of weird stuff, just like men, so I don't think is is a real reason.
Anyway I think there should be more women directing porn movies, but who keeps them from doing so? I won't, no chance! I would find that a good thing.

[Caroline-NL]

Originally Posted by hartwig

guys who direct or act in gonzo movies are womenhaters. Actually these women act in these movies voluntarily and keep coming again... most of the time because they saw those movies and found them very arousing, at least they say so.

Voluntarily, yes, they arent forced with a gun on her head, but if you look closely at german gonzo trash porn, at least 3/4 arent german women, but foreign women, or at least women with a foreign background. They badly need the money, because Germany has cut holes in the welfare system. And these "interviews" are to 95% fakes. You dont have to be a psychologist to detect, that these words arent their own words. Porn can be a lot of fun, but not under these conditions.

[trreeww]

Unfortunately porn is a dirty word for most women,so the majority wouldnt even think about viewing porn(well the porn that men like).
Women are into romance and want to be showed a good time,and men generally go along with this notion in order to get some .
My girlfriend actually doesnt mind me looking at naked women on the net at all,as I explained to her that its far less likely that I would ever cheat on her,because of this liberal attitude.

Men need porn women dont.

[Caroline-NL]

Originally Posted by trreeww

Women are into romance (...)
Men need porn women dont.

Romance........ at least they dont want to watch degrading and primitive stuff. Not all women want only "romantic erotica movies". I have nothing against group sex, golden showers, etc., but I dont like porn, where women are used as trashcans.

I need porn too. Not these zillions of images and downloads, but I enjoy browsing through a porn mag or watching a hot movie....and have fun.

[finchster67]

For my penneth worth, I completely agree with Caroline, and there is a line to be drawn. I do however think that the UK is somewhat behind in the eths of porn, purely and simply because of the censorship situation that prevailed until the mid 90´s in the UK. Up until Europe and the more liberal attitude towards porn arrived via satellite or the change from censorship to classification, taboo´s ruled and the industry was virtually underground and by definition, socially unacceptable. I well remember Amsterdam or Berlin in the late 80´s, where couples and groups of both sexes would be found in sex shops. This is only now happening in the UK. I believe that it may well be a generation thing for the English, where enjoying the sexual turn on experienced through porn becomes mutually agreeable. I find that being entirely open with my lady with regards to this brings proper mutual understanding - and a lot more fun!!

[hotshot]

Originally Posted by Xxphd

Donnerstag, 27. März 2008 um 23.15 Uhr

posted here:
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...914#post225914

[Deano!]

My workplace email is now heavily regulated (like most workplaces are now) but about 10 years ago when it was pretty free and easy I was amazed at the explicit porno emailed to me from a few girls at work. Like many guys, I had thought they all found it exploitative and obscene etc. At least that was the 'official' view I kept hearing through the media. But these girls would send this stuff asking which girl I liked best. It wasn't generated by a spam-bot virus because they'd ask me about it later on.

But the whole female attitude to porn thing has always confused me because it often seems that if you DO like porn you're a pervert who exploits women, while if you DON'T like porn then you're a wimpy goodie goodie with religious hang-ups. Sometimes you can't win!