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Old 01-09-2015, 02:58 PM   #11
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The 10 leading causes of death in the world, 2000 and 2012 :

"Ischaemic heart disease, stroke, lower respiratory infections and chronic obstructive lung disease have remained the top major killers during the past decade."


http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/


It means underdevelopment, malnutrition, ignorance, lack of education, corruption, pollution, etc. Yep, it's time to expell them from all countries.

Stupidity for stupidity, is time to kick all the obese out of the U.S ? For example ?
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Stupidity for stupidity, is time to kick all the obese out of the U.S ? For example ?
Is this statement aimed at me, because of user name? Also I suggest you go back to the first post and re read it. I asked those questions, I did not make them a definitive statement.
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Here in Europe America is regarded as having herds and herds of obese type people. We have seen them on Springer so it's probably not personal.
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Here in Europe America is regarded as having herds and herds of obese type people. We have seen them on Springer so it's probably not personal.
Ah Harold I was just asking. There a lot of fatties here but why kick them out? If they are wanted for something they can't run very far.
Plus if you judge America by Springer's show you guys are the ones who need to go.
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the blame of splinter groups. I guess we will see Imams eventually condemning the attacks during the coarse of this weekend, but I think what Santee asks in the initial post is, why does it take so long for this paltry repost or did I misunderstand & it is just an excuse to kick All muslims out from selected countries?
NIN I was trying to start a discussion about what to do with those Muslims who are on lists such as "Do not FLY" or "Terrorist suspect". I did not mean nor do I condone blanket actions like the US did to the Japanese citizens in WWII. By the same token if some one is a known threat source what can be done about them? Deportation before they act? Look at the French thing. If I am not mistaken one of them has a long criminal record. Why is he either still in the country or not in jail? It is impossible to cover all the persons suspected of ill will towards every one not of their persuasion.
No I did not start this thread to justify kicking all Muslims out of any country let alone mine. I have met many Arabic people either Muslim of Chaldean. The older ones seem pretty stereotypical in their attitudes but the younger ones who either came here young or were born here are much less so.
Please explain the paltry repost I be cornfused.
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If God is Good; and God is righteous, why can't he change the World and make it a better place for all races, cultures and faiths to live together in harmony? More importantly, why can't he change the hearts of man? I'm an atheist, by the way. I am also a pacifist who abhors violence. Being an atheist does not make me a bad person. Evil is evil, whichever Faith these fanatics choose to dress it up as. War/terrorism is linked to religion these days - and always has been. God - or whatever name you choose to call your particular deity, has a lot to answer for.
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radical Muslims are the primary cause of death and destruction in today's world. Speak up people!!!
israel killed 2200 people this summer in "operation protective edge" on the gaza strip, 500 of them were children....10.000 people was wounded...does anybody care? of course not, they were all dirty arab muslims, not really the same species as us good white westerners....has USA threatened to invade israel after those atrocities? of course not, they fully support it!
and how many innocent civilians has been killed in iraq after the us invasion (which was built on proven lies fabricated by the bush administration)...millions? has bush/cheney been indicted for war crimes? LOL

that doesn't mean i support terrorism in any shape or form, but i can actually understand it....all muslims in the world (1,5 billion) with any intelligence can see there is a double standard when it comes to human lives...i doubt the terrorists were very religious to begin with, they were more like young stupid thugs full of hate easily directed at western society

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Drifting back on topic
It Is continually disappointing that we do not see hoards of these moderate Islamics taking to the streets chanting "Not In The Name Of Our Religion"
We didn't see hordes of moderate Catholics on the streets when extremist Catholics were blowing up pubs (Birmingham, Guildford), shopping centres etc. that I recall. Nor do I recall anyone saying that they should be out doing so at the time.
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Is it time to start expelling Muslim extremists and those who are deemed to be a terrorist threat? There are so many Muslims on watch/do not fly lists in so many countries. Most do not seem to do much UNTIL they do. See France. Is it time to kick them out of their respective countries? Let them land wherever? Yes this seems racists for those who view it that way but face it - radical Muslims are the primary cause of death and destruction in today's world. Speak up people!!!
These are the times which try men's souls and all that. I am going to need to ask VEF brethren to post responsibly and to respect each other. There is not going to be a universally agreed position regarding recent tragic events and the underlying lessons to be taken from them. This is just a fact and we should start by knowing it.

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Is it time to start expelling Muslim extremists and those who are deemed to be a terrorist threat?...Is it time to kick them out of their respective countries? Let them land wherever?
No. No, it isn't. I realise many will disagree with me and I with them; they will have to suck it up and so will I.
  • By what right do we "expell" people who were born here or who are naturalised British citizens? If I empty my rubbish bins onto my neighbour's lawn, I am behaving in an anti-social way and morally he would be quite entitled to key the paintwork on my brand new BMW. It is for each country to police its own scum and not to try to offload them onto someone else's country.
  • By what right do we punish anyone just because we disapprove of who they are or what they think? Expulsion is a punishment; it used to be the second most extreme punishment used by the Vikings, who called it "Outlawry"; the next step up after outlawry was the Bloody Eagle, where they cracked open your chest while you were still alive and pulled out your lungs, making them look like an eagle's wings. If you are talking about expulsion for someone who has not been convicted of a crime, well, there have been precedents for this in Europe in the mid 20th Century. So; over my dead body.
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There are so many Muslims on watch/do not fly lists in so many countries. Most do not seem to do much UNTIL they do.
I know a man who used to have to report to a police station once a month every month, exactly as though he were on parole after being released on a Life Sentence. Yet he had never committed a crime in his life, or at least never been caught. He had the same name as an IRA man very well known to British security forces. We need to be diligent and careful; but if we are merely paranoid, we'll end up watching all the wrong people and not being selective, not applying intelligence. The world is full of potentially naughty people and no police force in the world can watch them all; and if they could, do we want to live like that, with a Stasi-like police system?


On the whole, I think our societies work well as they are. But whereas blanket reprisals on the Muslim community will never sit well with me, I do think we could and should be far more aggressive in cracking down on anti-social conduct such as preaching Jihad and denouncing our values as a society while still wanting to live among us and ponce on our benefits. Anyone actively fostering trouble should be trodden on hard, and we have laws for that already. Why is it only today that the scumbag Abu Hamza al Masri has received a whole-of-life sentence in a New York court for his terrorist activities, going back 25 years, for which the British Crown Prosecution Service has had the same evidence the Americans had and never taken action? We have to be far more willing to prosecute and to be seen looking for activists such as Hamza, arresting them, going after them, making them fear us. For the general run of Muslims in the UK I have no problems with them as a community. For anyone who acts against our laws and who actively undermines our values, and I dont care who they are, what religion or colour; anyone who chooses to act as our enemy, I'm quite relaxed about making such persons afraid.


But punishments, whatever these are, are the rightful preserve of the guilty.
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If God is Good; and God is righteous, why can't he change the World and make it a better place for all races, cultures and faiths to live together in harmony? More importantly, why can't he change the hearts of man? I'm an atheist, by the way. I am also a pacifist who abhors violence. Being an atheist does not make me a bad person. Evil is evil, whichever Faith these fanatics choose to dress it up as. War/terrorism is linked to religion these days - and always has been. God - or whatever name you choose to call your particular deity, has a lot to answer for.
Bugger I don't want to get in a deep religious discussion on this thread. However God has also given man freewill which is where I think a lot of bad decisions come from. Plus just because God may have a doctrine does not mean man will not corrupt it. Imagine if God did all you asked above, wouldn't we then live in a very regimented society? A lot like the Sharia laws and the ISIS state wants to impose? Plus Satan has a place in a lot of the bad stuff in the world,IMO. You are correct evil is evil no matter what but ask the Muslim fanatics if they are evil. I bet their answer is no we all are. While misguided religious fanatics are to blame for a lot of the violence in the world there are still many horrible actions that can be laid at the feet of nonreligious groups. Africa-look at all the ethnic genocides, Russia-look at the same kind of ethnic violence in Chechnya and other regions around the world. Somalia the pirates are just crooks.
Finally God has nothing to answer for when humans take His teachings and corrupt them for their own ends.
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