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Old 03-19-2017, 06:48 AM   #1741
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Oh yes, lets "Keep Britain White".

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I think sarcasm may be lost on that individual.
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I think sarcasm may be lost on that individual.
I don't doubt his desire to fight Islamofascism, and I think we can all agree that Islamofascism has NO place in modern society.

But fighting Islamofascism with what appears to be just fascism is (to me) akin to an eye for an eye. And if we go down that road, then I fear we will all end up blind.

Also how do we "win the hearts and minds" of those who are gullible enough to believe the BS spouted by the Islamofascists and subsequently volunteer to serve as useful idiots to either fight for them in Middle East conflicts or carry out terrorist attacks on the West? And how best can we confront those who promotes radical Islam?
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:30 AM   #1743
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LOL.
Osama Bin Laden was very rich.
Lots of ISIS recruits come from educated, middle class backgrounds.
Also, the crime stats don't mention the motives of the crimes, so you have no idea how many may or may not be associated with Muslims.

But keep on telling lies and obfuscating islamic atrocities by trying to deflect attention from them by saying things like the USA has weekly mass shooting at schools.

You have developed a credibility gap.
As far as I know, there are very few Muslims in Latin America. There are plenty of drug gangs and right wing death squads.

Please stop misquoting me, then accusing me of lying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

Please note that homicide rates are much higher in the Caribbean, Latin America, and many African nations than in the Middle East, even granting that a large part of the killings in Western Africa are being committed by groups claiming allegiance to ISIS. But the deadliness of the tribal warfare in Southern Africa dwarfs even the ethnic and religious warfare in South Sudan and Uganda. But even in these areas trail the deadliness of the mayhem being wrought by the Latin American gangs and political violence. This is why I believe the violence is being committed by psychopaths acting under cover of religion.

I cannot blame Islam for all the violence committed in its name any more than I can blame Christianity for the murders and atrocities committed by so-called "Christians." Even a passing familiarity with Christian doctrines makes it clear that such actions do not conform to Christian doctrine.

We have had similar problems in Oakland, where anarchists and criminals will show up at peaceful demonstrations or student protests and attack the police and vandalize local businesses. The last thing that women and students want to do is damage local merchants. It is understood that these small businesses operate on thin margins and provide jobs and services for locals. And as you note that some criminal leaders in the Muslim world come from the upper reaches of society, the bulk of our local "political" criminals come from middle and upper class homes.

Certain cities in the United States have very high murder rates, while most are very peaceful. The United States is often characterized as a violent and dangerous country, but it really depends on where you live. In point of fact, the United States has a murder rate less than half of that of Russia, for example, and less than 5% that of a Honduras.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph.../daily-chart-3

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...der-rates.html

It must be admitted that we are talking rough estimates in less developed countries as those areas lack the governmental control and data gathering capabilities of first world nations. It would be unsurprising if homicides are being underreported in the Third World.

P.S. The United States does average about one shooting per week at a school. (142 shootings during the years 2013 - 2016.) Very few result in multiple deaths, however. Far and away the greatest cause of cases where multiple people are killed is when family members kill each other, most often when a man kills his children, wife or ex-wife, and then commits suicide. I apologize for making a careless comment.
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I lurk in a lot of dark corners but of all the comments, editorials & clips posted online in regard to this matter, the best I have seen is "A WORD TO THE CRIMINAL MIGRANT" by a Brit: Pat Condell dot com

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On the right is Lawyer Amal Clooney. Next to Mrs Clooney is her client Nadia Murad, a human rights activist who survived being raped and enslaved by Daesh terrorists (Ms Murad testified to Congress last year about the horrors of living under Daesh).

Mrs Clooney has urged the UN to act against Daesh by backing a UK-led investigation into the group's atrocities in Iraq.

Speaking at the UN, Mrs Clooney said Daesh had declared it will "destroy" the country's Yazidi ethnic group through murder, rape and forced conversions.

The British-Lebanese human rights lawyer said Daesh was also attacking Christians, and Shia and Sunni Muslims.

Mrs Clooney, who is based in London, accused the UN of "inaction".

She said: "The UN was created as the world's way of saying 'never again' to the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis.

"And yet here we are, 70 years later, discussing the UN's inaction in the face of a genocide that we all know about, and that is ongoing."

The UK is drafting a Security Council resolution to establish a UN investigation, but Mrs Clooney said the Iraqi government needs to send a letter formally requesting the inquiry before the 15-member council can vote.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39227162

Mrs Clooney and Ms Murad were both on Fareed Zakaria GPS (CNN) earlier about their attempts to get Daesh to answer for their crimes in an international court of law.
But both admitted this process could take a long time - the UN are still investigating the Khmer Rouge's crimes against humanity....
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:07 AM   #1746
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Lets investigate.
Sheesh.
England = kaput.
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:08 PM   #1748
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On the right is Lawyer Amal Clooney. Next to Mrs Clooney is her client Nadia Murad, a human rights activist who survived being raped and enslaved by Daesh terrorists (Ms Murad testified to Congress last year about the horrors of living under Daesh).

Mrs Clooney has urged the UN to act against Daesh by backing a UK-led investigation into the group's atrocities in Iraq.
What's the point? We're currently trying to blow the lot of them into the next world. What could an investigation possibly achieve? Even if they could identify individuals they will either be dead or beyond anyone's reach other than the ones already attacking them.

While I don't wish to cast aspersions this seems to have more to do with further fueling the victim/human rights industry so beloved of lawyers, since it generates huge amounts of work and gets huge amounts of public money heading their way.
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What's the point? We're currently trying to blow the lot of them into the next world. What could an investigation possibly achieve? Even if they could identify individuals they will either be dead or beyond anyone's reach other than the ones already attacking them.

While I don't wish to cast aspersions this seems to have more to do with further fueling the victim/human rights industry so beloved of lawyers, since it generates huge amounts of work and gets huge amounts of public money heading their way.
From the CNN interview last night, the pair wanted to put Daesh on trial for their numerous crimes, which is laudable.
But if the UN are still working on crimes committed by the Khmer Rouge, then I don't hold much hope on any developments in the immediate future...
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Also how do we "win the hearts and minds" of those who are gullible enough to believe the BS spouted by the Islamofascists and subsequently volunteer to serve as useful idiots to either fight for them in Middle East conflicts or carry out terrorist attacks on the West? And how best can we confront those who promotes radical Islam?
That presupposes that we can do anything to stop the idea that muslims have the right to destroy everyone and everything that isn't islamic.

I don't think we can. The 'radical' muslims will always be able to turn to the koran and point to any passages that they say either gives them the right, or even commands them to do so and they can counter any argument we make against that simply by saying "Well they would say tha wouldn't they? They are 'kuffirs' and are enemies of allah."

The only people who can stop the 'radical' muslims are the 'moderate' muslims, and I'm not sure how many 'moderate' muslims would not like to see the world go islamic, the only real question being what 'method' would they be prepared to use?
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