Things Noticeable this week - Page 2830

**vannax** · February 9th, 2017, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rupertramjet

We do not pay tax for treatment! We pay National Insurance, which also covers us for unemployment, pensions and various other social security benefits like housing.

Call it what you will.
When I am forced to pay the state out of my income, I call it "tax", because that's what it is.
I guess you could call it a fine, if you wanted to.

tax
taks/
noun
1. a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

**scoundrel** · February 10th, 2017, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vannax

In that case, it's really the state that is performing the theft, now isn't it?
Why must you always try to obfuscate things?

Koch Bros and Union Carbide, etc, have no armed departments to get money.
The state does.

Actually, Union Carbide, IBM, Boeing, etc make money by delivering products to market.
The state does not.

You don't seem to know what coerce means.

Re your leg Vannax:

How much is it worth to you to have your leg?
How much would you cost to the rest of the community as a disabled person needing physiotherapy, prostetic/artificial leg and so forth?

Saving your leg is cost-effective as well as humane: $500,000 dollars worth easily.

As for obfuscating the issues I would argue that you like to dangerously oversimplify and advocate "solutions" without considering the side effects. The libertarian schtick is to want to party on down and be a nuisance to the neighbours, then do a flit and leave the landlord to clean up the mess and pay for the damage.

**bloke57** · February 10th, 2017, 09:47 AM

I guess we shall just have to agree to differ on public healthcare

We're generally happy with what we've got and we'll have to let vannax find his own path.

It's not exactly "something noticeable this week" so perhaps we need a new topic. But I would just add one thing I noticed during the "Obamacare" era in the U.S.

The discussion seemed sometimes to suggest that healthcare in U.K. and Europe was entirely publically owned - which is not true. You can go private if you wish - always could. I have had two hernias fixed at my own expense. But, speaking as a higher rate tax payer for most of my life, I have no problem with other people having the same op within the NHS system.

Thanks for a lively discussion as ever vannax.

**Brecht** · February 10th, 2017, 11:55 AM

So.... what about that blood pressure check, Greenman?

**vannax** · February 10th, 2017, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scoundrel

Re your leg Vannax:

How much is it worth to you to have your leg?
How much would you cost to the rest of the community as a disabled person needing physiotherapy, prostetic/artificial leg and so forth?

Saving your leg is cost-effective as well as humane: $500,000 dollars worth easily.

As for obfuscating the issues I would argue that you like to dangerously oversimplify and advocate "solutions" without considering the side effects. The libertarian schtick is to want to party on down and be a nuisance to the neighbours, then do a flit and leave the landlord to clean up the mess and pay for the damage.

Make all the disparaging libels against libertarians you like; You are still advocating that a man be coerced to labour on behalf of another, ie slavery. Period.

**footstep** · February 10th, 2017, 12:54 PM

I think we all need solidarity, but the first thing to teach should be :
move your ass and you will find.

**vannax** · February 10th, 2017, 01:33 PM

"Syria’s Assad: Some Refugees Are ‘Definitely’ Terrorists"

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...ly-terrorists/

That man is more honest than the EU.

**vannax** · February 10th, 2017, 01:39 PM

Muslim commits a bunch of sexual assaults on teens in public, CBC says Muslims are the real victims:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...cism-1.3973831

**vannax** · February 10th, 2017, 01:57 PM

"Bercow to Face No Confidence Motion Over Trump Ban"

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...ion-trump-ban/

Too bad the Brits don't go in for tar and feathers.

**rupertramjet** · February 10th, 2017, 02:21 PM

It is not about the ban, it is because he breached Parliamentary procedure by making it public, he is not allowed to introduce his own agenda, and this is Bercow looking to his retirement, he is about as principled as a piranha in a carp pond!

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vannax Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 2,257 Thanks: 7,213 Thanked 15,670 Times in 2,231 Posts	Muslim commits a bunch of sexual assaults on teens in public, CBC says Muslims are the real victims: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...cism-1.3973831 __________________ Freedom carries a terrible price, but it's still a bargain compared to every alternative. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

February 10th, 2017, 01:57 PM	#28299
vannax Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 2,257 Thanks: 7,213 Thanked 15,670 Times in 2,231 Posts	"Bercow to Face No Confidence Motion Over Trump Ban" http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...ion-trump-ban/ Too bad the Brits don't go in for tar and feathers. __________________ Freedom carries a terrible price, but it's still a bargain compared to every alternative. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

February 10th, 2017, 09:47 AM	#28293
bloke57 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Unaffordable housing Posts: 4,923 Thanks: 31,646 Thanked 68,928 Times in 4,921 Posts	I guess we shall just have to agree to differ on public healthcare We're generally happy with what we've got and we'll have to let vannax find his own path. It's not exactly "something noticeable this week" so perhaps we need a new topic. But I would just add one thing I noticed during the "Obamacare" era in the U.S. The discussion seemed sometimes to suggest that healthcare in U.K. and Europe was entirely publically owned - which is not true. You can go private if you wish - always could. I have had two hernias fixed at my own expense. But, speaking as a higher rate tax payer for most of my life, I have no problem with other people having the same op within the NHS system. Thanks for a lively discussion as ever vannax.

February 10th, 2017, 11:55 AM	#28294
Brecht Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 10,657 Thanks: 180,485 Thanked 188,138 Times in 10,453 Posts	So.... what about that blood pressure check, Greenman?

February 10th, 2017, 12:54 PM	#28296
footstep Lost luggages? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: France Posts: 7,268 Thanks: 92,097 Thanked 86,765 Times in 7,170 Posts	I think we all need solidarity, but the first thing to teach should be : move your ass and you will find.

February 10th, 2017, 02:21 PM	#28300
rupertramjet R.I.P. Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cloud cuckoo land Posts: 4,300 Thanks: 26,852 Thanked 54,117 Times in 4,288 Posts	It is not about the ban, it is because he breached Parliamentary procedure by making it public, he is not allowed to introduce his own agenda, and this is Bercow looking to his retirement, he is about as principled as a piranha in a carp pond!