The kids are not learning, and its the parents fault for not engaging at home, and for fighting the system at school.

Furry Triangle · February 1st, 2024, 04:08 PM

TRIGGER WARNING: this thread will make you angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guT_d7ENfDw

They don't discipline at all or very poorly, they don't get involved daily with developing their childs brain, they rely too much on gadgets to keep their kids busy and the parents themselves spend more time with gadgets than is needed, usually in the form of making tiktok videos to impress other parents.

They fight with the teachers who are actually trying, they push way too much responsibility on teachers like babysitting and mental counseling, they argue with, threaten, and occasionally sue schools when their kids don't get what they want, and they constantly meddle in the curriculum to the point nobody is actually teaching anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8AHJ8dcoK8
https://www.youtube.com/@TeacherTherapy/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpcD9X7Izc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVNzuR3otA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0YXBkKQnQA

**jomama** · February 3rd, 2024, 08:39 PM

Below is an example of one shitty parent

Jennifer Crumbley's historic school shooting trial ended on a dramatic note Friday, with one side claiming the prosecution was "so desperate" to blame someone for the Oxford school shooting that it mounted a "witch hunt" against an innocent mother, while the other side accused the mom of being selfish and negligent, refusing to do even the "smallest" things that could have saved the lives of four children killed by her son.

Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Cheryl Matthews sent jurors home after the closing arguments, with deliberations to begin Monday.

In closing, the prosecutor turned Crumbley's testimony against her, reminding the jury: "She said she wouldn't do one thing different."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...te/ar-BB1hHaBr

cyrax · February 4th, 2024, 02:04 AM

Parents are often busy and many try to help their kids at home. Teachers mostly do try but you are painting with a broad brush. When they are teaching poison in schools, you as a parent have a duty to step in.

Now with salaries so small and taxes out of control, what the money is being spent on in school should be looked at.

There are ridiculous parent to be sure, but teacher performance issues are a thing

FooForah · February 4th, 2024, 02:40 AM

"When they are teaching poison in schools, you as a person have a duty to step in."

Lemme guess you agree with the dipshits screeching about how EEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL it is that it is being taught that slavery in the US was a terrible horrible thing and that empathy and compassion are good things and that white people are in fact NOT superior to all other races and lads and lasses are being taught what the names and functions of the things between their legs are and that every book EXCEPT the Bible hasn't been banned from schools.

Lurk_D · February 4th, 2024, 03:40 PM

Not to mention that it's the lack of taxes on those who can best afford to pay them that is responsible for salaries being so low. Teacher performance issues begin with their being able to afford to teach, and don't end until teachers can be assessed without worrying if not being able to afford food affects the teachers' performance like it does the students. The average teacher salary hasn't gone up since I was in high school 40 years ago.

If they'd stop trying so hard to break the system in the first place, then it would work well enough it wouldn't need fixed.

**Priapus** · February 4th, 2024, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurk_D

Not to mention that it's the lack of taxes on those who can best afford to pay them that is responsible for salaries being so low. Teacher performance issues begin with their being able to afford to teach, and don't end until teachers can be assessed without worrying if not being able to afford food affects the teachers' performance like it does the students. The average teacher salary hasn't gone up since I was in high school 40 years ago.

If they'd stop trying so hard to break the system in the first place, then it would work well enough it wouldn't need fixed.

You understand that nothing of what you said made any sense in the context of how public schools are funded in the United States and basic economics?

cyrax · February 5th, 2024, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FooForah

"When they are teaching poison in schools, you as a person have a duty to step in."

Lemme guess you agree with the dipshits screeching about how EEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL it is that it is being taught that slavery in the US was a terrible horrible thing and that empathy and compassion are good things and that white people are in fact NOT superior to all other races and lads and lasses are being taught what the names and functions of the things between their legs are and that every book EXCEPT the Bible hasn't been banned from schools.

Thats a fairly simpleton way to look at it.

Opinions about slavery versus facts is the issue. It was a dark time, but lets not fool ourselves, Africa had zero problems selling slaves and still do. They facilitated something they were experts in.

Can we stop the garbage of telling people that all books but the Bible is banned. Age inappropriate stuff like smut has no place in the school. There are teachers trying to subvert this with a singular purpose...grooming. All cults need fresh victims and the Alphabet soup squad is no different

**FrankDobe** · February 7th, 2024, 08:09 PM

take a look at middle to high school in the USA. students wait on the side of the road ( rural or suburbs ) for a bus to pick them up and take them to school. they sit in a class for 45 minutes-a bell rings-they get up and move to the next class. half way thru the day, maybe 20 minutes for lunch. then back to class. end of day, back on the bus to be dropped off same place they were in the morning. ( exactly like most immigrants from Eurose to the USA got to work late 1800s till post Korean War. how many of those factories are still open ?)

one week off in February and another in April and then summers off. why ? when public school became more widely avaiable to everyone, the USA was still an agrarian society overall. children grades 6 thru 12 were needed to help their families on farms.

this agrarian/even industrializd model no longer exists. who says every student learns whatever the objective of the lesson was in just 45 minutes ? in some schools, with overcrowded classrooms, no resources like adequate books or computers, and terrified adminstrators who will not stop unruly student behavior, it may take an overwhemed teacher 20 minues just to take attendance.

then the teacher is evaluated on statewide mandated tests. in some states they are held responsible for excessive student absenteeism. yet they are told not to "teach to the test."

the curriculum does not matter if you argue for bible centered, woke, whatever. given the structure of our schools and the issues they face, any real learning that takes place is a credit to students who can block out the noise and dedicayed teacherss who can rise above the din.

solution ? let's look at models elsewhere that work. there are Scandanavian and Far East nations that excel in all measures of reading, science, and math. and spare me the nonsense of they only have one race and one language in their classrooms. we always tout that we are the greatest nation and can overcome obstacles other nations cannot.

let's start by talking to teachers, the ones who actually spend more time with students than their parents. do.

cyrax · February 8th, 2024, 01:30 AM

Teach facts. Not opinions

**george anson** · April 7th, 2024, 02:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0YXBkKQnQA

Appalling really. The first teachers a child has are their parents. They should be the ones to teach them discipline, boundaries, respect for the parents and others and also teach them then basics of reading, writing and listening.

Teachers are not babysitters. Nor should they have to put up with violent, disruptive children. The fact that children are not disciplined but tolerated beggars belief and will only exacerbate behavioural issues.

There is also the tendency for many parents to use the television, the Ipad or phone to pacify children. Without any thought to as what they are watching or listening to. Attention spans are shrinking in many along with the ability to even hold a coherent conversation.

And dumbing down standards. Reducing pass scores to the point where they are worthless. They are going to produce a generation of children that are violent, antisocial who think they can do what they want without consequences and who are also profoundly stupid.

It's depressing to hear when children are asked what they want to be when they grow up that they want to be an influencer or social media personality. It's disturbing and so sad to see that lovely young ballet teacher crying with what she has to put up with along with the feckless parents and that five year old girls are listening to utter garbage like this Poundtown. The so called lyrics in themselves are appalling.

America is well on the way to idiocracy and many other countries inc. the UK are well on the way to joining them. There are record levels of juvenile crime here and often the punishment is a slap on the wrist.

Teachers have no deterrents to misbehaviour in the classroom. Parents often attack teachers too and it's no surprise there is a shortage of teachers as a result. Who would want to put up with the stress ?

This sort of thing doesn't seem to happen in certain communities though. Indian, Chinese , Korean, Japanese, Jewish. I suppose it's because those communities place an enormous emphasis on getting a good education and a good job while also being insistent on discipline within the home something that has often been the target of mockery.

I know what I'd have. A well behaved child who has a keen interest in learning and being socially responsible than one that is violent, out of control and will contribute nothing to society apart from trouble.

February 1st, 2024, 04:08 PM	#1
Furry Triangle Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 509 Thanks: 2,413 Thanked 2,955 Times in 473 Posts	The kids are not learning, and its the parents fault for not engaging at home, and for fighting the system at school. TRIGGER WARNING: this thread will make you angry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guT_d7ENfDw They don't discipline at all or very poorly, they don't get involved daily with developing their childs brain, they rely too much on gadgets to keep their kids busy and the parents themselves spend more time with gadgets than is needed, usually in the form of making tiktok videos to impress other parents. They fight with the teachers who are actually trying, they push way too much responsibility on teachers like babysitting and mental counseling, they argue with, threaten, and occasionally sue schools when their kids don't get what they want, and they constantly meddle in the curriculum to the point nobody is actually teaching anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8AHJ8dcoK8 https://www.youtube.com/@TeacherTherapy/videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpcD9X7Izc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVNzuR3otA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0YXBkKQnQA

February 3rd, 2024, 08:39 PM	#2
jomama Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Living in Silliness Posts: 29,738 Thanks: 3,492,584 Thanked 344,085 Times in 29,852 Posts	Below is an example of one shitty parent Jennifer Crumbley's historic school shooting trial ended on a dramatic note Friday, with one side claiming the prosecution was "so desperate" to blame someone for the Oxford school shooting that it mounted a "witch hunt" against an innocent mother, while the other side accused the mom of being selfish and negligent, refusing to do even the "smallest" things that could have saved the lives of four children killed by her son. Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Cheryl Matthews sent jurors home after the closing arguments, with deliberations to begin Monday. In closing, the prosecutor turned Crumbley's testimony against her, reminding the jury: "She said she wouldn't do one thing different." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...te/ar-BB1hHaBr __________________ all the credit goes to original posters Avatar is Smeagol My Precious with Toilet Paper

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February 4th, 2024, 02:04 AM	#3
cyrax Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 358 Thanks: 50 Thanked 1,479 Times in 345 Posts	Parents are often busy and many try to help their kids at home. Teachers mostly do try but you are painting with a broad brush. When they are teaching poison in schools, you as a parent have a duty to step in. Now with salaries so small and taxes out of control, what the money is being spent on in school should be looked at. There are ridiculous parent to be sure, but teacher performance issues are a thing

February 4th, 2024, 02:40 AM	#4
FooForah Member Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 49 Thanks: 12 Thanked 207 Times in 48 Posts	"When they are teaching poison in schools, you as a person have a duty to step in." Lemme guess you agree with the dipshits screeching about how EEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL it is that it is being taught that slavery in the US was a terrible horrible thing and that empathy and compassion are good things and that white people are in fact NOT superior to all other races and lads and lasses are being taught what the names and functions of the things between their legs are and that every book EXCEPT the Bible hasn't been banned from schools.

February 4th, 2024, 03:40 PM	#5
Lurk_D Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 489 Thanks: 22 Thanked 3,914 Times in 467 Posts	Not to mention that it's the lack of taxes on those who can best afford to pay them that is responsible for salaries being so low. Teacher performance issues begin with their being able to afford to teach, and don't end until teachers can be assessed without worrying if not being able to afford food affects the teachers' performance like it does the students. The average teacher salary hasn't gone up since I was in high school 40 years ago. If they'd stop trying so hard to break the system in the first place, then it would work well enough it wouldn't need fixed.

February 7th, 2024, 08:09 PM	#8
FrankDobe Vintage Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: last thing I remember was falling down somewhere Posts: 13,147 Thanks: 112,361 Thanked 104,707 Times in 13,097 Posts	take a look at middle to high school in the USA. students wait on the side of the road ( rural or suburbs ) for a bus to pick them up and take them to school. they sit in a class for 45 minutes-a bell rings-they get up and move to the next class. half way thru the day, maybe 20 minutes for lunch. then back to class. end of day, back on the bus to be dropped off same place they were in the morning. ( exactly like most immigrants from Eurose to the USA got to work late 1800s till post Korean War. how many of those factories are still open ?) one week off in February and another in April and then summers off. why ? when public school became more widely avaiable to everyone, the USA was still an agrarian society overall. children grades 6 thru 12 were needed to help their families on farms. this agrarian/even industrializd model no longer exists. who says every student learns whatever the objective of the lesson was in just 45 minutes ? in some schools, with overcrowded classrooms, no resources like adequate books or computers, and terrified adminstrators who will not stop unruly student behavior, it may take an overwhemed teacher 20 minues just to take attendance. then the teacher is evaluated on statewide mandated tests. in some states they are held responsible for excessive student absenteeism. yet they are told not to "teach to the test." the curriculum does not matter if you argue for bible centered, woke, whatever. given the structure of our schools and the issues they face, any real learning that takes place is a credit to students who can block out the noise and dedicayed teacherss who can rise above the din. solution ? let's look at models elsewhere that work. there are Scandanavian and Far East nations that excel in all measures of reading, science, and math. and spare me the nonsense of they only have one race and one language in their classrooms. we always tout that we are the greatest nation and can overcome obstacles other nations cannot. let's start by talking to teachers, the ones who actually spend more time with students than their parents. do.

February 8th, 2024, 01:30 AM	#9
cyrax Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 358 Thanks: 50 Thanked 1,479 Times in 345 Posts	Teach facts. Not opinions

April 7th, 2024, 02:36 PM	#10
george anson Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Watford Posts: 8,749 Thanks: 21,772 Thanked 293,406 Times in 8,926 Posts	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0YXBkKQnQA Appalling really. The first teachers a child has are their parents. They should be the ones to teach them discipline, boundaries, respect for the parents and others and also teach them then basics of reading, writing and listening. Teachers are not babysitters. Nor should they have to put up with violent, disruptive children. The fact that children are not disciplined but tolerated beggars belief and will only exacerbate behavioural issues. There is also the tendency for many parents to use the television, the Ipad or phone to pacify children. Without any thought to as what they are watching or listening to. Attention spans are shrinking in many along with the ability to even hold a coherent conversation. And dumbing down standards. Reducing pass scores to the point where they are worthless. They are going to produce a generation of children that are violent, antisocial who think they can do what they want without consequences and who are also profoundly stupid. It's depressing to hear when children are asked what they want to be when they grow up that they want to be an influencer or social media personality. It's disturbing and so sad to see that lovely young ballet teacher crying with what she has to put up with along with the feckless parents and that five year old girls are listening to utter garbage like this Poundtown. The so called lyrics in themselves are appalling. America is well on the way to idiocracy and many other countries inc. the UK are well on the way to joining them. There are record levels of juvenile crime here and often the punishment is a slap on the wrist. Teachers have no deterrents to misbehaviour in the classroom. Parents often attack teachers too and it's no surprise there is a shortage of teachers as a result. Who would want to put up with the stress ? This sort of thing doesn't seem to happen in certain communities though. Indian, Chinese , Korean, Japanese, Jewish. I suppose it's because those communities place an enormous emphasis on getting a good education and a good job while also being insistent on discipline within the home something that has often been the target of mockery. I know what I'd have. A well behaved child who has a keen interest in learning and being socially responsible than one that is violent, out of control and will contribute nothing to society apart from trouble.