Questions For Our Russian Friends - Page 2

**george anson** · August 13th, 2015, 11:52 AM

Having many friends from that part of the world, Russians from the former Baltic States most left because of some discomfort living in those countries and for economic reasons.

Most would like to return to the motherland so to speak if they could and they all still feel a deep sense of patriotism although a couple are really blind followers of Putin most were not really happy with him on domestic issues they are behind him on the issues of eastern Ukraine.

And having numerous Polish friends there is a whole range of opinions. A few do dislike Russia but the vast majority are either neutral and some do see Russia as a fellow Slavic nation though they all dislike Putin many are fearful of the EU and NATO and neither positive towards America.

As you know the history between the two is rather fractious ie the sacking of Moscow, the Kosziuszko uprising, Katyn etc but they hope for better relations. A small minority are real Russophiles namely the older ones and they can also speak Russian too.

Most lament some of the social changes with reference to social care systems and also the huge amounts of endemic corruption. They also dislike Donald Tusk who they see as an American stooge.

**palo5** · August 13th, 2015, 04:55 PM

The break-up of USSR and Eastern Bloc brought unimaginable change. Some changes were good, but many brought diabolical disruption -- anyone who lived in Yeltsin's Russia knows what I mean

On the positive side, more freedom is good, more availability of consumer goods is greatly appreciated especially of labor-saving devices & autos (if you can afford them), also of basic things like building materials

On the negative side, some Republics experienced civil wars and dictatorships, and still do. Also interference from alien powers. See Central Asia & Caucasus for examples (let's not mention Ukraine)

On the in-between side, I agree with laws limiting freedom of speech. It's good to allow criticism of politicians, but I'm glad the disgraceful Pussy Rot went to prison. I'm also glad homosexuals can't advertize in the presence of minors. But I know some who disagree

Estreeter · August 13th, 2015, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

On the positive side,.............., more availability of consumer goods is greatly appreciated

Apart from this

That was trading one evil for another

**palo5** · August 13th, 2015, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Estreeter

Apart from this

That was trading one evil for another

hehehe!

A lot of this consumption stuff is real trash, hard to disagree. But I don't have an answer. Unless we find a way to forbid it. I heard the Chinese moved all McJunk joints to backstreets. Maybe they're better at managing this

Estreeter · August 13th, 2015, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

Maybe they're better at managing this

I've the answer for ya Mate

This coming from a greedy little Capitalist also

Get all McDonalds franchise owners in Russia and throw em' in a Gulag

And in true Soviet spirit, then throw in their families, pets, employees and so on

Hell, I'll help

That's how much I hate McD's

**palo5** · August 13th, 2015, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Estreeter

Get all McDonalds franchise owners in Russia and throw em' in a Gulag

And in true Soviet spirit, then throw in their families, pets, employees and so on

Gulags were dismantled in the 1950s, my friend

Western education!!

Estreeter · August 13th, 2015, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

Gulags were dismantled in the 1950s, my friend

Western education!!

Well, be a Capitalist, raise some money and build some new ones with old values

**AmateurEmale** · August 13th, 2015, 05:53 PM

About the Moscow McDonald's thing:

"Those people stood in line to get into a McDonald's, but we [Americans] wouldn't stand in line to burn one down..." -- attributed to a Libertarian Party candidate for Congress

**AmateurEmale** · August 13th, 2015, 05:54 PM

But I have to admit that the lifting of censorship, the young people with their "priorities of free speech and free sex", and especially the Internet of the 2000s, has brought my life to the point that I can see natural wonders of Russia like this:

Estreeter · August 13th, 2015, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurEmale

natural wonders of Russia like this:

Or like me, I like this

Hey. I'm old school

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August 13th, 2015, 11:52 AM	#11
george anson Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Watford Posts: 8,749 Thanks: 21,772 Thanked 293,421 Times in 8,926 Posts	Having many friends from that part of the world, Russians from the former Baltic States most left because of some discomfort living in those countries and for economic reasons. Most would like to return to the motherland so to speak if they could and they all still feel a deep sense of patriotism although a couple are really blind followers of Putin most were not really happy with him on domestic issues they are behind him on the issues of eastern Ukraine. And having numerous Polish friends there is a whole range of opinions. A few do dislike Russia but the vast majority are either neutral and some do see Russia as a fellow Slavic nation though they all dislike Putin many are fearful of the EU and NATO and neither positive towards America. As you know the history between the two is rather fractious ie the sacking of Moscow, the Kosziuszko uprising, Katyn etc but they hope for better relations. A small minority are real Russophiles namely the older ones and they can also speak Russian too. Most lament some of the social changes with reference to social care systems and also the huge amounts of endemic corruption. They also dislike Donald Tusk who they see as an American stooge.

August 13th, 2015, 04:55 PM	#12
palo5 Former Staff Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 16,579 Thanks: 452,836 Thanked 222,658 Times in 16,567 Posts	The break-up of USSR and Eastern Bloc brought unimaginable change. Some changes were good, but many brought diabolical disruption -- anyone who lived in Yeltsin's Russia knows what I mean On the positive side, more freedom is good, more availability of consumer goods is greatly appreciated especially of labor-saving devices & autos (if you can afford them), also of basic things like building materials On the negative side, some Republics experienced civil wars and dictatorships, and still do. Also interference from alien powers. See Central Asia & Caucasus for examples (let's not mention Ukraine) On the in-between side, I agree with laws limiting freedom of speech. It's good to allow criticism of politicians, but I'm glad the disgraceful Pussy Rot went to prison. I'm also glad homosexuals can't advertize in the presence of minors. But I know some who disagree

August 13th, 2015, 05:53 PM	#18
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	About the Moscow McDonald's thing: "Those people stood in line to get into a McDonald's, but we [Americans] wouldn't stand in line to burn one down..." -- attributed to a Libertarian Party candidate for Congress

August 13th, 2015, 05:54 PM	#19
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	But I have to admit that the lifting of censorship, the young people with their "priorities of free speech and free sex", and especially the Internet of the 2000s, has brought my life to the point that I can see natural wonders of Russia like this: