Current or modern politics in the United States

[Rogerbh]

I have always been told that the US economy goes in waves and that the US President gets blamed or credited for whatever it does - although he has little effect on it. I never noticed anything to dispute this statement.

I'd like to point out that one of the US Presidents who is held in the lowest esteem - President Nixon - actually did more for peace than any other modern President. He got us out of Vietnam, started peace with China and started the SALT talks. He is only remembered for Watergate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqwo45XcLUY Note: I don't agree with the title of this vid - that the CNN spokesperson was speechless, she and her handlers had lots of facts to support their positions. Ben Stein may only be remembered for his role in Ferris Bueller but what he says is always interesting.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

If I am reading you right you are making my point for me which was your age will help shape your views on them because the effects of Bill's policies are going to be different depending on your age and when events take place. You state you were working in the tech field in the late nineties so I take it that you are not under 35 and probably under 40 which goes to the heart of what I said. I in no part spoke to the validity of the views I just stated what they were.

A few decades older than that, but yes, I'd agree . . .

[Rogerbh]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/contraria...090051867.html

The left must be gagging when they read articles like the above. I will laugh my arse off if Trump wins a second term and I see Bill Maher/Stephen Colbert/Seth Meyers start crying.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

https://www.yahoo.com/news/contraria...090051867.html

The left must be gagging when they read articles like the above. I will laugh my arse off if Trump wins a second term and I see Bill Maher/Stephen Colbert/Seth Meyers start crying.

Stories like this will end up motivating the people you call the "far left" to take over the party from the bottom up if this happens and the Dems have to run a far left canindate as opposed to the centrists the party has been running a couple of interesting thing will happen

• The media will head, possibly sharply to the right
• Some lifelong Dems will switch parties
• Businesses will start leaving the country for real

And despite all that I still would see the Dems winning.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

Stories like this will end up motivating the people you call the "far left" to take over the party from the bottom up if this happens and the Dems have to run a far left canindate .

To be fair, Bernie Sanders is not "far left", except in an American context. His platform issues:

-- break up big banks
-- single payer
-- tax on billionaires
-- stay out of foreign wars

That's not Red Brigades; he's still basically what we'd call a liberal (in the old and new senses of the term).

In an American context, he's more or less Henry Wallace and Hubert Humphrey, with a Brooklyn accent. None of these folks were revolutionaries. The irony is the idea that seeking a fair shake for the vast majority is somehow Bolshevik.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

His platform issues:

-- break up big banks
-- single payer
-- tax on billionaires
-- stay out of foreign wars

You forgot the most important one being campaign finance reform. Without that the other issues are not even worth mentioning. That is the issue that also makes the mainstream media not really embrace him(how are you going to embrace someone who is trying to cut your money short) and why the Democratic "talking heads" use the company line "He's not in the party" or something similar

Originally Posted by deepsepia

That's not Red Brigades; he's still basically what we'd call a liberal (in the old and new senses of the term).

In an American context, he's more or less Henry Wallace and Hubert Humphrey, with a Brooklyn accent. None of these folks were revolutionaries. The irony is the idea that seeking a fair shake for the vast majority is somehow Bolshevik.

Welcome to the neoliberal times we live in. I will agree on the differing scale of the left/right dynamic in America, but I will also say a revolutionary can be formed by a convergence of forces such as situation and time.

[martynz]

.... if you count all those who now wish they had.
I can see the tweet coming.

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

https://www.yahoo.com/news/contraria...090051867.html

The left must be gagging when they read articles like the above. I will laugh my arse off if Trump wins a second term and I see Bill Maher/Stephen Colbert/Seth Meyers start crying.

[diamelsx]

The lead Democrat and Republican on the House Oversight Committee meted out a rare bipartisan rebuke of former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn on Tuesday after seeing private information that confirmed the former administration official failed to disclose foreign income from Russia and Turkey.

The public criticism by the senior Republican on the House’s chief investigative panel is unusual and presents a dilemma for the White House, which was accused of failing to provide everything the committee asked for — an assertion White House press secretary Sean Spicer disputed.
source

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

To be fair, Bernie Sanders is not "far left", except in an American context. His platform issues:

-- break up big banks
-- single payer
-- tax on billionaires
-- stay out of foreign wars

That's not Red Brigades; he's still basically what we'd call a liberal (in the old and new senses of the term).

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Right !!!

If I could vote in the US, Bernie Sanders had been the only electable person of the last vote for me.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by 31D1

I agree, but to an overwhelming number of Americans he IS far left and then some. Hence, Trump would have trounced him, by a wider margin than he did against Hillary (I dare say). The states that actually count to become president in this country see Ay-rabs and commies everywhere and have such an unhealthy fear and paranoia of people like Sanders or Keith Ellison.

Yes indeed, the US has a strong displaced world view of left and right. Here he would have been seen as a boring normal Social-democrat and former President Obama for example as a Neo-Liberal.