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January 25th, 2010, 08:35 PM | #21 |
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I look at it this way: There's a big difference between killing and murder. To kill in war is one thing (I'm not speaking of any particular instance, not presently nor historically) but murder is certainly another. I think the best way to approach the idea of weighing someone's life is to first determine which action a person has done.
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January 25th, 2010, 08:55 PM | #22 |
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Well, even in war killing is not justified in my book. Youngsters were sent to Vietnam for all the wrong reasons; same thing when Adolf Hitler recruited all the youths to defend Berlin right when the Russians were marching in.
Killing is killing; I understand there is a whole industry surrounding the military and all the jobs at stake and so on and so forth - we know all that already. Still, it's immoral - I don't differentiate the act personally between a bank robbery that goes wrong and acts of war.
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are you saying that killing to defend yourself, your family, your country is wrong ? what should the warsaw jews have done then when the ss men came to drag them to the cattle cars ? its nice to have the luxury of being able to exercise highly developed morals, and call all killing immoral, including those that kill to defend you and your rights and freedoms, but what would have happened to the UK in 1940, when the nazis were threatening to invade if they had not been opposed by those that killed to defend our rights and prevent the nazis from imposing their own morals on the inhabitants of this land - should these people feel guilty for the rest of their lives ? |
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the US were the aggressors in vietnam, should have the communist vietnamese done nothing and allowed the US to take over without a struggle ? should the russians not have fought nazi germany to a standstill on the eastern front, and not pushed them back to berlin ? clearly, fighting for the wrong side is immoral in these examples, but are we convinced all killing is immoral ? |
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This is one big can of worms that I won't open.
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Hope you appreciate my decision not to drag this any further, sorry.
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Ho Chi Min as a vietnamese nationalist in his fight to rid the whole of vietnam of the french colonialists actually asked the US for help to unify the whole of vietnam. The south was still ruled by the french under an arrangement forced on the vietnamese after WW2 Sadly for vietnam, after the korean war, the US was very wary of communism and US policy was to prevent its spread "the dominos will fall no more". So instead of helping the vietnamese, the US helped the french Unfortunately after the major defeat of the french at dien bien phu, the french decided to withdraw from vietnam, which prompted the US to take a more involved role in propping up the south vietnamese puppet regime Unfortunately for the US, the puppet regime didn't fare well against the communists, so the "gulf of tonkin" incident was fabricated by the US to allow direct US military involvement All this is fact and is well documented, check out wiki Last edited by chupachups; January 27th, 2010 at 09:38 PM.. |
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I'm for peace. And i'm from a place that has seen 1000s of pointless murders. As human
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Mind you, I'm not religious or anything.
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