Treaty between KK and SE?

**lmcgillet** · June 30th, 2007, 03:01 PM

Somehow it was clear there must have been connections between KK and SE (look at the American actors-KK-stuff starring e. g. John Holmes and American female models, too), but I didn't know SE released KK movies labeled as SE in the U.S. of A. back then, often using the original loop's names:

Found these on the usenet. Will have to give up work and start to collect SE, too...

Greetings -
Luther

**Xxphd** · June 30th, 2007, 09:43 PM

i also noticed these some time ago! (in the a.b.e.p.80s group)
John Holmes featured in a few KK loops (shot in Denmark), maybe that's how the contact was made..

Foud a few more. I suppose the sound was dubbed in these US versions, would love to hear that..

*

oheretic · June 30th, 2007, 10:08 PM

Telling indeed - and great covers!

Karma for you my friend - and I wonder if anyone has this one to upload?

http://img150.imagevenue.com/img.php...123_1169lo.jpg

**lmcgillet** · July 1st, 2007, 02:20 AM

Thank you for your replies! To find these (maybe some already posted on VEF??) will be a new challenge for me. Never put great interest in SE posts before, will have to crawl the board again. No chance for boredom...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xxphd

i also noticed these some time ago! (in the a.b.e.p.80s group)

That's the place where I found them. Other interesting newsgroups are a.b.p.e.vintage and a.b.dvd.erotica.classics.

Greetings -
Luther

**BentBastard** · July 1st, 2007, 03:06 AM

Hi Guys
I'm certainly no expert, and my source is what I've read on the net (usually unreliable)
But my understanding was that a group of independant film crews operated in europe and specifically Denmark, these teams would hire models shoot a film, and then market these films to producers/distributors such as KK, SE, and MF. These producers would often perform post production such as editing, music and voice overs, and then market and distribute the film under their name. Which is the reason that many SE, KK, & MF films look similar and have the same actors. You've probably noticed KK has never realeased titles such as Little Sexy Eva with *T*.*T*, despite that it would surely be in their economic interest to do so. But this film was sold to MF.

If any one actually knows the real story please share it

**lmcgillet** · July 1st, 2007, 05:32 AM

Interesting. Thank you, BentBastard, and K+!

Would also like to know more about this...

Greetings -
Luther

**goldfinger** · July 1st, 2007, 07:30 PM

Much of the SE catalog were duplicates of KK films (and possibly others). The titles were often changed, and from what I've seen, there were slight editing differences (I had assumed that the SE films were shortened for reasons of time, film length, or some such). Also, the early SE catalog was silent, with subtitles added (the first loop in my catalog that advertises "also available in sound" is #187 "Delivery Boy" with Paul Thomas and Holly McCall). Many of the early sound loops seem to be scenes from full features (and thus filmed with sound). Many of the loops available now on video were shot silent on film with sound added years later for tape compilations.

**Xxphd** · July 1st, 2007, 08:15 PM

Thanks & K for the info. This part of 'history' is becoming more and more clear..

**lmcgillet** · July 1st, 2007, 09:08 PM

goldfinger, many thanks and K+ from me, too!

Greetings -
Luther

MARCROCCO · July 1st, 2007, 09:36 PM

Karma to You imcgillet and Xxphd!
I noticed also that not only american loops where used by CC, but also english loops(for example those with Nicky Stanton, Michelle Shepard) and german(for example Sandra Nova, Peter Bond) and now noticed also some french loops(I don´t think that the CC-team went to Paris?).
Can it be that they had sometimes problems of reaching the demand of more loops so that they bought material from America and other european countries?
Some of the english loops of CC seem to be also remade with the same story-line and repeated with danish models!
But that´s okey when they use diffrent girls! ;D

June 30th, 2007, 09:43 PM	#2
Xxphd R.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Gone But Not Forgotten Posts: 6,562 Thanks: 37,001 Thanked 77,414 Times in 5,393 Posts	Re: Treaty between KK and SE? i also noticed these some time ago! (in the a.b.e.p.80s group) John Holmes featured in a few KK loops (shot in Denmark), maybe that's how the contact was made.. Foud a few more. I suppose the sound was dubbed in these US versions, would love to hear that.. * __________________ We got to let love rule.

June 30th, 2007, 10:08 PM	#3
oheretic Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 33 Thanks: 116 Thanked 999 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Treaty between KK and SE? Telling indeed - and great covers! Karma for you my friend - and I wonder if anyone has this one to upload? http://img150.imagevenue.com/img.php...123_1169lo.jpg

July 1st, 2007, 03:06 AM	#5
BentBastard Vintage Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 201 Thanks: 198 Thanked 2,443 Times in 106 Posts	Re: Treaty between KK and SE? Hi Guys I'm certainly no expert, and my source is what I've read on the net (usually unreliable) But my understanding was that a group of independant film crews operated in europe and specifically Denmark, these teams would hire models shoot a film, and then market these films to producers/distributors such as KK, SE, and MF. These producers would often perform post production such as editing, music and voice overs, and then market and distribute the film under their name. Which is the reason that many SE, KK, & MF films look similar and have the same actors. You've probably noticed KK has never realeased titles such as Little Sexy Eva with T.T, despite that it would surely be in their economic interest to do so. But this film was sold to MF. If any one actually knows the real story please share it

July 1st, 2007, 05:32 AM	#6
lmcgillet Former Staff Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 303 Thanks: 11,017 Thanked 4,123 Times in 198 Posts	Re: Treaty between KK and SE? Interesting. Thank you, BentBastard, and K+! Would also like to know more about this... Greetings - Luther

July 1st, 2007, 07:30 PM	#7
goldfinger Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 45,084 Thanked 17,481 Times in 953 Posts	Re: Treaty between KK and SE? Much of the SE catalog were duplicates of KK films (and possibly others). The titles were often changed, and from what I've seen, there were slight editing differences (I had assumed that the SE films were shortened for reasons of time, film length, or some such). Also, the early SE catalog was silent, with subtitles added (the first loop in my catalog that advertises "also available in sound" is #187 "Delivery Boy" with Paul Thomas and Holly McCall). Many of the early sound loops seem to be scenes from full features (and thus filmed with sound). Many of the loops available now on video were shot silent on film with sound added years later for tape compilations.

June 30th, 2007, 03:01 PM	#1
lmcgillet Former Staff Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 303 Thanks: 11,017 Thanked 4,123 Times in 198 Posts	Treaty between KK and SE? Somehow it was clear there must have been connections between KK and SE (look at the American actors-KK-stuff starring e. g. John Holmes and American female models, too), but I didn't know SE released KK movies labeled as SE in the U.S. of A. back then, often using the original loop's names: Found these on the usenet. Will have to give up work and start to collect SE, too... Greetings - Luther

July 1st, 2007, 08:15 PM	#8
Xxphd R.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Gone But Not Forgotten Posts: 6,562 Thanks: 37,001 Thanked 77,414 Times in 5,393 Posts	Re: Treaty between KK and SE? Thanks & K for the info. This part of 'history' is becoming more and more clear.. __________________ We got to let love rule.

July 1st, 2007, 09:08 PM	#9
lmcgillet Former Staff Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 303 Thanks: 11,017 Thanked 4,123 Times in 198 Posts	Re: Treaty between KK and SE? goldfinger, many thanks and K+ from me, too! Greetings - Luther

July 1st, 2007, 09:36 PM	#10
MARCROCCO Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2,081 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Treaty between KK and SE? Karma to You imcgillet and Xxphd! I noticed also that not only american loops where used by CC, but also english loops(for example those with Nicky Stanton, Michelle Shepard) and german(for example Sandra Nova, Peter Bond) and now noticed also some french loops(I don´t think that the CC-team went to Paris?). Can it be that they had sometimes problems of reaching the demand of more loops so that they bought material from America and other european countries? Some of the english loops of CC seem to be also remade with the same story-line and repeated with danish models! But that´s okey when they use diffrent girls! ;D