Weaponry; Discussion of Rights and Responsibilities

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

The guy had several prior arrests, including one for assault and battery.

and the shooter was such an angel? They may not have any charges on him but there was an incident where they say they pulled a gun during the road rage incident in the owner of the store said he was constantly harassing the customers about that parking space threatening to shoot them.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Thug.

I don't think a dropped assault charge and a drug charge qualifies you for that label.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Whatever the race is, it always people with bad backgrounds you see engaging in this sort of behavior. You won't see any "well-to-do" families, white or black, getting mixed up in brawls because they were raised better, and know better, and are not naturally trash.

you're not going to see it cuz the cops aren't going to charge it they know running the well-to-do kid in could possibly be injurious to their careers. They will do all they can to sweep those situations under the rug, the poorer among us well those people they can arrest away.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Defending trash to promote some racial equality agendais just stupid.

if he was actually trash I would agree with you but I haven't seen that much proof of that to make that assessment.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

The woman was guilty too. Parking in a handicapped space without a sticker? Against the law. And her own trashy behavior got her man killed. Charge her with disorderly conduct and give her 6 months in jail, at least.

so they were parked in a handicap spot there's a lot better ways to handle it than to try to confront the driver. He could take a picture of the car in a parking spot and let the police handle it. That's it at most Park in the handicap spot is like a $500 fine not worth getting in a fight and actually killing somebody over. One more question if race our class had nothing to do with it how is it that the same situation played out in Florida a couple days prior between two latino guys and the killer ended up facing a second-degree murder charge? Story link

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

and the shooter was such an angel? They may not have any charges on him but there was an incident where they say they pulled a gun during the road rage incident in the owner of the store said he was constantly harassing the customers about that parking space threatening to shoot them.

Well, if he actually like that, one day he is likely to try that business on someone carrying a gun, and get shot dead for being an asshole.

Problem solved.

Originally Posted by diamelsx

I don't think a dropped assault charge and a drug charge qualifies you for that label.

Usually for every arrest, there is all sorts of bad-boy behavior the miscreant is never apprehended for. I'm sticking with thug, thank you very much.

Originally Posted by diamelsx

One more question if race our class had nothing to do with it how is it that the same situation played out in Florida a couple days prior between two latino guys and the killer ended up facing a second-degree murder charge? Story link

I never said CLASS doesn't have anything to do with it. That has a LOT to do with it.

OJ was black, but because he belonged to society's elite and had money, he basically got away with a double murder. Were you cheering on the day he was acquitted?

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Well, if he actually like that, one day he is likely to try that business on someone carrying a gun, and get shot dead for being an asshole.

Problem solved.

that's provided that he is preying on a community that is mostly unarmed. Then there would be a question 2 what would happen to that shooter.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Usually for every arrest, there is all sorts of bad-boy behavior the miscreant is never apprehended for. I'm sticking with thug, thank you very much.

although that can be true I find that usually applies more to the more well-to-do than people on The Bottom Rung of society.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I never said CLASS doesn't have anything to do with it. That has a LOT to do with it.

OJ was black, but because he belonged to society's elite and had money, he basically got away with a double murder. Were you cheering on the day he was acquitted?

are you trying to say that race and class don't intersect at all, especially in this country? Cheer for the OJ trial? No, being that I was living in La at the time I was basically sick of the coverage and was glad that it was over. I was not emotionally invested in that trial. It's sort of reminded me of Russia gate in that regard.

[Sir Honkers]

I once read a short story set in America, where, because of successive court rulings, everyone is required to wear a sidearm and vehicles must be equipped with weapons. I thought it was just fiction.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

are you trying to say that race and class don't intersect at all, especially in this country? Cheer for the OJ trial? No, being that I was living in La at the time I was basically sick of the coverage and was glad that it was over. I was not emotionally invested in that trial. It's sort of reminded me of Russia gate in that regard.

No, I wouldn't say that.

From what I have seen in my life:

Poor white people enjoy a marginal social advantage over poor black people when it comes to getting arrested.

Middle class black people enjoy an advantage over all the poor people.

Middle class white people enjoy a MUCH greater advantage over all the poor people, and regular middle class black folks as well.

Rich white people enjoy the greatest advantage at all, seldom getting punished for small crimes, and often getting away with the big stuff too. In fact, when a rich white person is in trouble, it is usually because they have managed to piss off ANOTHER rich white person, either politically or socially or financially.

Despite all that, I am still in favor of harshly punishing trashy people whatever their race. Thump them mightily for the merest infraction, it's the only way to keep them in line, like a mean neighbor's dog that thinks it has the right to come into your yard and bite, if you don't, having them around will make your life a living hell.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Despite all that, I am still in favor of harshly punishing trashy people whatever their race. Thump them mightily for the merest infraction, it's the only way to keep them in line, like a mean neighbor's dog that thinks it has the right to come into your yard and bite, if you don't, having them around will make your life a living hell.

Sounds like you're taking the Bill Clinton paternalistic approach to things. The thing about taking that approach is at some point you're going to realize that the system is going to eventually view you as the "trash" they're going to have to take out. yes at first they're going to start at the fringes but they're going to work their way in and by the time you realize that your viewed as the trash it is going to be probably close to too late

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

Sounds like you're taking the Bill Clinton paternalistic approach to things. The thing about taking that approach is at some point you're going to realize that the system is going to eventually view you as the "trash" they're going to have to take out. yes at first they're going to start at the fringes but they're going to work their way in and by the time you realize that your viewed as the trash it is going to be probably close to too late

You're taking a class approach to things, I am taking a behavioral approach to things. The two are quite different.

People who behave like assholes need to be punished.

I'd rather have a civilized low key black drug dealer as a neighbor than some white trash person who plays music at a deafening level, beats his girlfriend in the yard, lets his garbage blow onto my lawn and his pit bull shit on my lawn, and screams threats and obscenities at me when I politely ask him to cease and desist.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

You're taking a class approach to things, I am taking a behavioral approach to things. The two are quite different.

six in one hand half a dozen in the other. You can use a behavioral approach and incorporate class approach at the same time. All you have to do is signal out Behaviors specific to a certain class in demonize them or some of them. America has been doing it since its founding

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

People who behave like assholes need to be punished.

I totally agree problem is we seem to only certain segments of the society and the inequality of punishment being noticed by the greater Society makes disrespect of the law more prevalent. My question as pertaining to the Case is how is Mr. Drejka entitled to protect himself but Mr McGlockton is not entitled to protect the mother of his child from some random guy accosting her?

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I'd rather have a civilized low key black drug dealer as a neighbor than some white trash person who plays music at a deafening level, beats his girlfriend in the yard, lets his garbage blow onto my lawn and his pit bull shit on my lawn, and screams threats and obscenities at me when I politely ask him to cease and desist.

with drug dealers you never really worry about the dealer, but more how the customers are. Also what's to say that asshole neighbor also move product.

[Rogerbh]

I don't know how a low key drug dealer operates, but the one who use to live nearby had cars coming at all hours to his house.

Luckily he moved years ago.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

I totally agree problem is we seem to only certain segments of the society and the inequality of punishment being noticed by the greater Society makes disrespect of the law more prevalent. My question as pertaining to the Case is how is Mr. Drejka entitled to protect himself but Mr McGlockton is not entitled to protect the mother of his child from some random guy accosting her?

Unless the shooter was physically assaulting the woman, which doesn't seem to be the case as far as I can find out, just yelling, then physical violence is not justified.

If the shooter had tried pulling his gun than anyone would have been justified in laying him out with a well placed punch, for escalating a simple squabble into a deadly conflict. AFAIK, the thug was not aware the shooter had a gun, and thus felt courageous enough to get thuggish with him and push him down. Correct me if any of the above is wrong.

All else aside, the thug was committing assault in defense of a crime, i.e. illegal parking. No prosecutor wants to touch that.

Originally Posted by diamelsx

with drug dealers you never really worry about the dealer, but more how the customers are. Also what's to say that asshole neighbor also move product.

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

I don't know how a low key drug dealer operates, but the one who use to live nearby had cars coming at all hours to his house.

Luckily he moved years ago.

By low key dealer I mean one smart enough not to shit where he eats.

You could live for years next to a higher tier drug dealer or a guy like Tony Soprano and not have to deal with the shit you would from a redneck neighbor who is high on meth or drunk on cheap whiskey all day.