Charlottesville, Virginia [Ban The Klan?] - Page 24

**steamjon** · October 14th, 2017, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scoundrel

In general terms I concur with what you say about the KKK. The KKK are certainly a racist organisation with extreme views and a murderously violent history. But I can remember that Mohammed Ali once spoke at a KKK rally and was very well received. He had some views in common with them, but presumably did not hate black people and clearly they did not hate him. Of course, Ali had some pretty racist views as well. The world is an extremely strange place and often doesn't just exactly conform with our expectations of how things ought to be.

There was a time when Ali was a segregationists which was a commonly held belief amongst some black muslim groups. The KKK knew you cannot send black people back to Africa and were actually in agreement of having a part of America where all black people lived.

I recall even in the 1980s that the KKK gave financial funding to Louis Farrakhan because he believed in segregation.

In Ali's Supreme Court trial, Thurgood Marshall the first black Supreme Court judge voted against him because he was not a segregationist.

Emil Von · October 14th, 2017, 02:20 PM

I never understood that when the extreme right marches, there must be extreme left-wingers to cause riots

Let go of the right in the right to show it.

It is very rare, when left-wingers marches, there is extreme right and cause any riots.

**steamjon** · October 14th, 2017, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Emil Von

It is very rare, when left-wingers marches, there is extreme right and cause any riots.

That one is easy to answer.

The right wingers turn up to the wrong place!

~~bigtrain45~~ · October 14th, 2017, 08:06 PM

The right wing response at many demonstrations is handled by the local police. In St. Louis recently, leftist protesters were beaten and hounded by police who stole the protesters' chant, "Whose Streets? Our Streets!" That must have been chilling to hear coming from jackbooted, heavily armed police who are supposed to "protect and serve" everyone. In the 60's, civil rights marchers in the South were routinely subjected to brutality from the police.

**AmateurEmale** · October 15th, 2017, 01:15 AM

@BigTrain45: I concur. The right wing really believe in "police protection" and "military intelligence"...

**Devius** · March 27th, 2019, 10:32 PM

A US man jailed for murder after a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville has pleaded guilty to hate crimes at a court hearing.

James Alex Fields, 25, a professed neo-Nazi, was convicted on 29 of 30 counts in a deal to avoid the death penalty.

Fields was sentenced last December to life in prison after driving his car into counter-protesters in 2017, killing one person and injuring dozens.

He previously claimed he acted out of fear for his safety.

Full story:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47727275

Apologies for the bump, but I presumed this was the best place to post this news story...

**AmateurEmale** · March 19th, 2022, 09:10 AM

As an aside, has anyone ever noticed the basic "schtick" of the Klan is to try to have an unusual name, use alliteration of the letter K, and outlandish or humorous - sounding titles to get people's attention and get them to ask "What is that?"

Grand Dragon, Imperial Wizard, Exalted Cyclops.
Kloran, Kleagle, Klavern.

Their use of "K" or "Kl" alliteration is obvious, but also their title system of Dragons, Wizards, and Cyclopses sounds like a cross of Dungeons and Dragons and horror movies.

Mississippi Burning?

shmoopiebear · March 31st, 2022, 04:36 PM

In some cases bans, cancel culture, and segregation works. Nice is a weapon. Sometimes a pre - emptive strike and disarm is necessary. A good story about keeping the riff raff out regardless of the rules of civility.

https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-e...thering-anyone

shmoopiebear · March 31st, 2022, 05:02 PM

Nice is a weapon. Ignorance is a disease. Kill them with kindness.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/54486...up-their-robes

**badman999** · April 9th, 2022, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmoopiebear

Nice is a weapon. Ignorance is a disease. Kill them with kindness.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/54486...up-their-robes

I remember speaking to a friend of mine about Daryl Davies. She knew of him and uses his example to preach about the value of dialogue in overcoming hate. A really remarkable man.

March 27th, 2019, 10:32 PM	#236
Devius Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's a London Thing.... Posts: 23,518 Thanks: 142,141 Thanked 228,387 Times in 23,553 Posts	Charlottesville murderer Fields pleads guilty to hate crimes A US man jailed for murder after a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville has pleaded guilty to hate crimes at a court hearing. James Alex Fields, 25, a professed neo-Nazi, was convicted on 29 of 30 counts in a deal to avoid the death penalty. Fields was sentenced last December to life in prison after driving his car into counter-protesters in 2017, killing one person and injuring dozens. He previously claimed he acted out of fear for his safety. Full story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47727275 Apologies for the bump, but I presumed this was the best place to post this news story... __________________ "I've had it with them, I've had it with you, I've had it with ALL THIS - I WANT ROOM SERVICE!* I want the club sandwich, I want the cold Mexican beer, I want a $10,000-a-night hooker!"* Johnny Mnemonic (1995)

March 31st, 2022, 04:36 PM	#238
shmoopiebear Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 449 Thanks: 254 Thanked 2,481 Times in 434 Posts	In some cases bans, cancel culture, and segregation works. Nice is a weapon. Sometimes a pre - emptive strike and disarm is necessary. A good story about keeping the riff raff out regardless of the rules of civility. https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-e...thering-anyone __________________ In desperate times, vision is the first casualty

March 31st, 2022, 05:02 PM	#239
shmoopiebear Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 449 Thanks: 254 Thanked 2,481 Times in 434 Posts	Nice is a weapon. Ignorance is a disease. Kill them with kindness. https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/54486...up-their-robes __________________ In desperate times, vision is the first casualty

October 14th, 2017, 02:20 PM	#232
Emil Von Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 150 Thanks: 21,443 Thanked 768 Times in 132 Posts	I never understood that when the extreme right marches, there must be extreme left-wingers to cause riots Let go of the right in the right to show it. It is very rare, when left-wingers marches, there is extreme right and cause any riots.

October 14th, 2017, 08:06 PM	#234
~~bigtrain45~~ Banned! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Savannah GA Posts: 16,142 Thanks: 47,756 Thanked 215,718 Times in 16,027 Posts	The right wing response at many demonstrations is handled by the local police. In St. Louis recently, leftist protesters were beaten and hounded by police who stole the protesters' chant, "Whose Streets? Our Streets!" That must have been chilling to hear coming from jackbooted, heavily armed police who are supposed to "protect and serve" everyone. In the 60's, civil rights marchers in the South were routinely subjected to brutality from the police.

October 15th, 2017, 01:15 AM	#235
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	@BigTrain45: I concur. The right wing really believe in "police protection" and "military intelligence"...

March 19th, 2022, 09:10 AM	#237
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	As an aside, has anyone ever noticed the basic "schtick" of the Klan is to try to have an unusual name, use alliteration of the letter K, and outlandish or humorous - sounding titles to get people's attention and get them to ask "What is that?" Grand Dragon, Imperial Wizard, Exalted Cyclops. Kloran, Kleagle, Klavern. Their use of "K" or "Kl" alliteration is obvious, but also their title system of Dragons, Wizards, and Cyclopses sounds like a cross of Dungeons and Dragons and horror movies. Mississippi Burning?