What if you lived in Australia?

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by Motorboater

I don't know what you all think about Chan and Sukumaran upcoming execution. But I've got to say. Having seen Mark Davis's piece on them a number of times on Dateline, I do feel uncomfortable that it's about to occur. If the purpose of a prison is to provide some form of rehabilitation, then I genuinely think these executions defeat the purpose.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Ya know what really bugs and annoys me about those poor, poor drug dealers. Simple, I couldn't care less that they were executed, though I only agree with the death penalty for the worst of the worst, Bin Ladens and so on.

But, here people are whingeing that the 2 Aussies were reformed and now good Christina s and blag blah blah......... Question, would they be good Christians today had that nor been caught ??? I doubt it, they'd probably still be drug dealers or if not, living off it's profits. I've no sympathy for them, zero

That's what I think

[Sir Honkers]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

That's what I think

So in your universe, there's no scope for change and no hope for redemption. And the fact that you are wilfully blind to how those two men turned their lives around and gave hope to other says more about your failings as a human being than their crimes ten years ago says about theirs.
At least they sought to make amends.
That's what I think

[uli12345]

Don't want to live in Australia

1. English (former criminals)
2. No good beer
3. to many english People
4. to much strange animals
5. estreeter and palo

6. End

Uli

[Hikarufan]

A cold beer on a hot xmas is a good thing.

[SanteeFats]

If you love bacon you gotta love this one.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by loosegoose

So in your universe, there's no scope for change and no hope for redemption. And the fact that you are wilfully blind to how those two men turned their lives around and gave hope to other says more about your failings as a human being than their crimes ten years ago says about theirs.
At least they sought to make amends.
That's what I think

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32527586
"Indonesia says it takes a hard line because of the country's own drugs problem - 33 Indonesians die every day as a result of drugs, according to Indonesia's National Narcotics Agency."

The fact is that they apparently reformed whilst in prison, as ES says we have no way of knowing whether if they had not been caught they would have had a sudden change of heart and ended any involvement with drugs. I have no time for any drug dealers and if you want to try and get rich off the misery of others then you have to be prepared to accept the possible consequences.
I don't agree with the death penalty myself but I respect the right of Indonesia to set their own legal penalties. If you are stupid enough to try and smuggle drugs in countries that have the death penalty then you have no one to blame but yourself if you get caught.
Indonesia would hope that this sends out a strong message to others not to get involved in drugs so the executions may prevent others from going down that path.

[Motorboater]

Note to self: Of all the people who make up the VEF community, Estreeter lives closest to me. So don't fuck around whenever I drive near his suburb.

Originally Posted by uli12345

Don't want to live in Australia

1. English (former criminals)
2. No good beer
3. to many english People
4. to much strange animals
5. estreeter and palo

6. End

Uli

Are you having a go at my Country??? There's been a fair amount of influence from Germany that has dragged down this city (Have you ever been to Heidelberg???)

The only good thing about Germany, is that the breasts of my avatar are of German descent.

[Motorboater]

Originally Posted by turat

Not wanting to derail any current topics on this good thread. I just want to write that I think Australia is an awesome, kickass country that i would be proud and honored to live in.

You mates are patriotic.

There's not one team that I would rather see lose more, than the Australian Cricket team.

Originally Posted by turat

You don't take crap from anybody.

Unless a we have a free trade deal with that country.

Originally Posted by turat

You love liberty and freedom.

Yeah. That's why Scott Morrison was our Immigration Minister, and George Brandis, our Attorney General! LOL

Originally Posted by turat

Your country is beautiful.

You only see the Harbour, Harbour Bridge and Opera House. Have you seen the rest of Sydney???

Originally Posted by turat

Your women are flat-out gorgeous.

Until you get to know them

Originally Posted by turat

Your food is delicious.

You must really like take away food?

Originally Posted by turat

Your lust for life is contagious.

God bless your people and country!

OK. Carry on!

Geez. Where are you from?

[effCup]

Originally Posted by Motorboater

The only good thing about

There are lots of good things about Germany, just as there are lots of good things about Australia.

... umm, too many to mention?



I don't know Uli very well but I suspect he may have been teasing.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by loosegoose

your failings as a human

Huh My failings as a human
Hmm, Let's see, Am I a human for thinking about the lives destroyed by unseen victims of their vile disgusting product Did I see much in the news or media about those victims No And why Because we don't know who they are, no news story there,but with those two scumbag motherfucking assholes there is, so there is a news story.

As for their redemption, I hope they did redeem themselves. However, ain't it strange how many on death row suddenly find God Some do, some don't. But were Chan and Sukumaran thinking of their victims judgment standing before the almighty while in the drug trade doubt it. But when faced with their own mortality, hey, they got nothing too lose and nowhere to go while behind bars. Might as well grasp at straws, if something good came of it, good.

As for their executions, I really don't like the death penalty, as I said, that's for the Hitlers and Bin Ladens. A fitting punishment for not just those two, but any drug dealer is give them their own medicine. Forcefully inject their own heroin into them day in day out for a while, get them addicted and then completely cease the injections let them go through withdrawal for some time, and when they show signs of being the addiction subsiding, start the process all over again for a year or two, That should teach them.

Sorry, but my shortcomings as a human is that I care for the victims, but I've still no sympathy for idiots who can't read signs in Bali and the rest of Indonesia about the Death Penalty for drug crimes.

RIP for victims of Chan and Sukumaran, nobody weeps for them.