Which UK Page 3 Girls have made real Hardcore?

[oglecat]

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Let me say that I am not a "Feminist man hating nazi"
I just feel compelled to make the point that its well documented that contract restrictions were often limiting factors in certain magazine models ability to appear in "feature hardcore films"
Although many of the "research papers" on "exploitation of women in porn" were clearly self serving propaganda there was some valid common agreement of some types of financial exploitation that existed that predominantly impacted women because of their over-representation statistically in the performance side of the industry[ for the laymen this means more women then men lol]
Clear thinking female educators such as myself and many of my colleagues understand that was not exploitation of women by intent but more properly viewed as management exploitation of a worker class.
By way of example physical exploitation by exceeding the original consensual sex with or without drug addiction tactics is true exploitation.
again to be perfectly clear .. let me give an example on non exploitation..One of my fave performers is Careena Collins who certainly " takes things to the limit" this is not exploitation as Careena
was very much in charge of the entire concept and execution.
She did what she wanted and probably had a good contract and was fairly rewarded for her efforts [ she was a smart chick]
Getting to the point of relevance to this forum thread on page 3 /HC of this thread.. one of the most exhaustive studies had great amount of cooperation from some of todays best female HC video directors such as Lynn Lemay
Ms Lemay had vast experience on both sides of the Atlantic and had a few very good friends that were page 3 type models that were under contract with various model agencies and regularly appeared in electric blue vids and such publications as Knave, Mayfair, Men only etc.
Lynn provided some conrtact clause examples that included first right options, permission requirements and inequitable payment covenants.
She specifically sites by example one performer referred to only as "Philippa"
[an alias] who had signed a "few terrible contracts" and never made the money she might have.
"Phillippa" by all accounts feature worthy, did mostly magazine shoots and lingerie ads supplemented by some personal appearance activities and a couple of soft porn videos
Apparently Phillippa sectretly did promos for telephone sex businesses and a few HC videos that were heavily edited to avoid showing her face while using a variety of aliases.
She didnt want to make a pittance of the fees that the agency stood to make
and just as importantly she wanted to have complete control over who the sex partner[s] would be similar to the deal Kathy Shannon had for her HC vid
On a humorous note she would costume herself wherever possible wearing dresses, shoes and panties that she had previously worn in magazine shoots and make sure that the agency she hated 'anonymously received" a little footage of her on camera HC exploits to piss them off.
They couldn't prove it was her so they could not receive there lions share of the proceeds
The agency had allegedly distributed] sold some of phillipas magazine work product with ATK instead of mens only, knave or mayfair etc' because under the strange clauses in her contract she received a vasty lesser share of the fees
There was sympathy for Phillippa in the broader british porn community to the point that one Electric Blue Producer with balls purposely delayed the completion of a video featuring 'Phillipa" by several years just to stick it to the agency.

So the point is... There may have been many more Page 3 type girls doing HC had they been with a better agency and you have probably seen bits and pieces of page3 girls doing HC but they never properly identified them
I have a lot of respect for Ms LeMay for going on the record and bucking the old boys network

[murphlaw]

I am 99% sure I know the model that Lemay was talking about that had trouble with her contract.
The lady in question was a contemporary of miss Lemay that appeared in all the magaziness under a variety of names
She does have a section here at the forum.
Originally from Birminghham she was befriended in London by an inner circle of wealthy businessmen connected to the hotel biz and a few well off foreign digantaries/investors
She dated a footballer for a while and she and the footballer were always welcomed at the evnts and vip parties
'P' {as i will call her} was well liked and very pretty even by model standards.
She had resisted hard core not so much because of her contract but she had family that she had promised to maintain some boundaries
I know all this because I worked for one of the men that became her ' guardian/white night" advisor/confident and eventual customer!
She was approached by the Mr. Sutcliffe who wanted to "go all the way' on film for his biz[ she did appear but no sex and no pink bits just a little muff}
P was dismayed that her botfriend actually encouraged her to do this and they broke up shortly thereafter
P then was showered with some expensive gifts by a few gentlemen. One her soft core/hardcore model friends came up with the concept for P
In return for "gifts" she posed for private film sessions modeling some of her vast lingerie including things that matched up with her outfits from her magazine shoots
Her " benefactors" got a tremoundous thrill out of that aspect as they eventually received a momento copy of the session that Included full servicing! Brilliantly 'P' s model/director
friend had edited out all face scenes of P and the "benefactors" so she had little chance of the scenes being sold to anyone and if that did happen deniability.
There was no internet in those days lol
In perhaps an oversight there is plenty of original audio and P does a lot of hot talking/moaning
I have matched it up with her authenticated softcote vids and the voive is clearly identifable as P lol
Also the lass had perhaps the most delicious pink bits /derriere combo in the business.
the lads were quite enterprising in that they posed her in a few scenes exactly as her lingerie and pussy/bum was displayed in magazine shoots lol
I mean its fantastic in the detail that matches a few of the her pictures that are located in this forum
perhaps she didnt realize that the lads were comparing notes and pooled there vids.. and routinely aired them at some of the most exclusive mens clubs in London
The part about sending some pics/and video to her agency was true though as one of her barrister benefactors assured her that no contract brach could be proven
Also i was intrigued by the oglecat commnet about delayed video compltions and sure enough there is a wierd inexplicable date anaomaly in 'p's last know authenticated vid
But they truly did love her and care about her .. but what the hell beauty like that must be shared! as my boss said the first time I was tasked to set up the vids for a few of his mates!
Made my self a copy of them didnt I !
But it was his wish to never embarass p
About 25 years has passed ... my booss is dead... probaly "p' s mom has passed too.. is the statute of limitations over?
Trying to be a gentleman here!

[pharoahegypt]

this thread has now gone so far of topic its irrelevant............!!!???

though im curious as to who exactly 'P' may be...??? doubt she's a p3 girl either though...??