Quest for the Presidency (2016 Edition)

[hound dog]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

What about the overwhelming polls (yes I know, polls) that have so many not D's who the first word they use to describe her is either liar or untrustworthy?? I recognize that almost any R will say that but IF a poll is balanced there many I's who feel that way about her.
Typically the I's really determine who gets elected.

Without knowing more specifics on the polls you are referring to I couldn't begin to make any speculations regarding them.

While it's still very early in the campaign cycle, Moody's analytics model, which has correctly predicted every presidential election since 1980, is forecasting a democratic win. Actually, the term they used was landslide.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/...tory-2016.html

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by hound dog

Without knowing more specifics on the polls you are referring to I couldn't begin to make any speculations regarding them.

Just the generic media polls that are all over the news. Well Moody's may have been correct for so long but this MAY be slightly different with so darn many R's running and for I believe the first time ever such ethnic diversity.
Two Hispanics plus a fluent Spanish speaker in Jeb, a black man whom I like most, and a women who I like almost as much. That COULD lead to a very wide ethnic/sex appeal in the end. Of course it depends on who gets the nomination and who gets the VP slot. That's my opinion any way.

[hound dog]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

this MAY be slightly different with so darn many R's running and for I believe the first time ever such ethnic diversity.
Two Hispanics plus a fluent Spanish speaker in Jeb, a black man whom I like most, and a women who I like almost as much. That COULD lead to a very wide ethnic/sex appeal in the end.

I agree the diversity in the very large group of candidates vying for the Republican nomination is historic and unprecedented.

However, I think it's mostly due to a lack of a strong and resonating message from any one candidate in particular. All of them thinking they could do a better job on the campaign trail than the other candidates. You have to remember that only one will get the party's nomination. The wide appeal you describe will narrow when someone wins the nomination.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by hound dog

have to remember that only one will get the party's nomination. The wide appeal you describe will narrow when someone wins the nomination.

Definitely true for both parties although then it will come down to party platforms and the independents IMO.

[9876543210]

Jake Gittes,

Originally Posted by Jake Gittes

Totally agree. She has no credibility and is relying on the gender card to see her to the presidency. So many of her supporters have been questioned about her accomplishments, and many of them can't name a single one.

Will have to disagree. I'm not a fan of Hilary but I do believe people should be given credit for their accomplishments (and faux pas).

She does have at least two college degrees (a Bachelor's and law degrees). IIRC, she was one of the minor attorneys prosecuting Richard Nixon way back when. She was also a US Senator and Secretary of State for the US.

I don't know where your from but in most peoples books those are damn good accomplishments. So to say she has no accomplishments is just BS.

[9876543210]

SanteeFats,

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

What about the overwhelming polls (yes I know, polls) that have so many not D's who the first word they use to describe her is either liar or untrustworthy?? I recognize that almost any R will say that but IF a poll is balanced there many I's who feel that way about her.
Typically the I's really determine who gets elected.

C'mon Santee, you're smarter than that. You've been around long enough to know better. Very simply, this is the Republican party doing every thing they can to introduce enough doubt into voter's minds that they "might" consider voting Republican. It really is that simple.

The Republican candidates are so bad this is the only tactic they have. It may, or may not work. Any stupid accusation they can come up with they will try. No matter how stupid.

[Jake Gittes]

9876543210,

Totally see where you are coming from. I respect her academic accomplishments. Those are very impressive. However, I have yet to see all of that education result in any political action that has qualified her for being president of the United States.

The e-mail scandal is not much of a concern for me. However, the Benghazi incident is. If you can't protect an American embassy, especially on the eve of 9/11, how can you protect the homeland?

Add that to the fact that here in CA we have illegals killing innocent Americans and she has been silent on all of those deaths. She says that she is for "women" whilst taking money via the Clinton Foundation from countries that treat women terribly. Plus the two victims of illegal criminals that should have been deported years ago were women.

I also have yet to hear anything from her concerning the following issues:

1. Defeating ISIS and saying the words "Radical Islam"
2. Reducing taxes and simplifying the tax code
3. Reforming the Entitlement system (70 percent of the federal budget -- which is why I respect Chris Christie and Paul Ryan for their emphasis on making this issue a big deal)
4. Securing the border (this past summer, something like 50,000 children crossed illegally)
5. Getting the Fed gov't out of the Education business

Etc....

I totally respect your opinion and I do respect her academic accomplishments. She is an intelligent person, I just disagree with her political philosophy.

I'm speaking as a guy who had his ROTH IRA cut in half after years of contributing to it and am frustrated to see Wall Street and the big banks get bailed out and have heard nothing from her that proves that she is for those of us that have tried to be responsible and save for retirement.

Just my two cents!

[fordprefect739]

I'm wondering why Benghazi is still an issue.

The Obama administration asked for more funding for embassy security. There was concern about several embassies; the one in Benghazi being one of them.

Funding bills must start in the House under Article I, Section 7. The Republican controlled House said no.

There is no evidence of a stand down order from Hillary or anyone in D.C.

4 Americans died (as well as about 100 Libyan attackers). We had plenty of attacks worse than that under Bush but nobody dragged on about it for years. Mistakes were made but it's not fair to put it all on Hillary's head. If congress had coughed up the funding instead of being the party of NO, maybe it could have been averted.

The most that Hillary could have done is closed the embassy when they failed to get funding to improve security but that's one of those hindsight is 20-20 things.

She's not going to reduce taxes, at least not on the rich or corporations.

Entitlements? Really? Do you really want to go back to the way things were when poor people, especially the elderly, just died in the streets?

The border. Yeah. I'm getting who you are.

Education is an investment in the country.

As for ISIS, it's unclear what should be done.

[hound dog]

Quote function isn't working so I'll do best I can.

Jake Gittes Quote:

"Totally see where you are coming from. I respect her academic accomplishments. Those are very impressive. However, I have yet to see all of that education result in any political action that has qualified her for being president of the United States."

Using that argument every Republican candidate is much less qualified than Hillary to hold the office of POTUS.

Jake Gittes Quote:

"I also have yet to hear anything from her concerning the following issues:

1. Defeating ISIS and saying the words "Radical Islam"
2. Reducing taxes and simplifying the tax code
3. Reforming the Entitlement system (70 percent of the federal budget -- which is why I respect Chris Christie and Paul Ryan for their emphasis on making this issue a big deal)
4. Securing the border (this past summer, something like 50,000 children crossed illegally)
5. Getting the Fed gov't out of the Education business"

I haven't heard a single Republican candidate say HOW they would accomplish any of those things either, just some saying they would, if they've addressed them at all. Saying you will do something and actually getting it done are two very different things in Washington. Usually it takes established working relationships and working across the aisle. Most of the Republican candidates have no Congressional experience, some have no experience in elected office at all, and those that do, have so far in their limited time in Congress, failed to work on any issue in a bi-partisan manner. Graham, I can't really speak of, I don't know his individual record in Congress, his positions having always been a bit to extreme for my taste.
You really think taking a candidate's word with a wink and nod that they can accomplish anything is prudent or wise? I'm rather skeptical, myself. Based on political experience alone, Hillary stands head and shoulders above any one of her potential Republican opponents. She's spent 8 years in the White House married to a two term President, a President who's experience she will benefit from if elected, she already knows how things get done in Washington. She was elected to the Senate twice and served as Secretary of State under President Obama in his first term. She has more foreign relations experience than all the Republican candidates combined. If I was a betting man and had to bet on any one particular candidate to get things done, my money would be on Hillary and her resume' than any of the Republican candidates and theirs.

If you'd like more restrictions on Wall St. and big banks, you ought to be looking at Bernie Sanders or encouraging Elizabeth Warren to run, I'm afraid the Republican party doesn't agree with increased restrictions there.

[Jake Gittes]

Quote functioning isn't working for me too!

I actually agree with a lot of what Bernie Sanders is saying. I spent years contributing my earnings to an IRA account and it was cut in half via the Great Recession. Meanwhile, the Banks and Wall Street get bailed out so I agree with what he is saying there. I just don't believe that America should become a Socialist nation. It has never worked historically, and I believe that the people who wake up at 6 A.M., get home late, work weekends shouldn't have 70 percent of their earnings taken from them to pay for illegals, etc.

In CA for example, we spend $60,000 per prisoner and spend tons of money on illegals and our vets can't get a doctor appointment at the VA and I have donated to "Wounded Warriors." Donald Trump is the only individual who has said that he would fire everyone at the VA for this incompetence. I also admire Ben Carson for saying he'd give our military all the options necessary to defeat our enemies. No other GOP candidate has come out as strong as those two have on the failures of GOP foreign policy during the Bush/Obama terms (which means I see where you are coming from )

Hillary does have an impressive resume when it comes to political experience. My issue is what has she produced during those years? Many of her supporters can't name a single accomplishment that she has achieved during her time in office, yet they support her.

I find it interesting that the top GOP candidates have no political experience at all. Just recently, Dr. Ben Carson has been rising, along with Trump and there are rumors that Carly Fiornia will be added to the next GOP debate on CNN, which is a good thing.

I am just looking at a country that is saying we are done with career politicians (Bushes and Clintons) that promise us one thing, but never deliver and we want a change.