Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[laberbacke]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

with petrol prices that high they may have to get used to pushing and shoving

Personally, whenever I hear bank(st)ers complaining about their "plight", I play the tiniest violin just for them.

[MaxJoker]

Originally Posted by laberbacke

Personally, whenever I hear bank(st)ers complaining about their "plight", I play the tiniest violin just for them.

For your input

[DB83]

A great failure of kybd design is that the 'W' is far removed from the 'B' so as not to invoke pressing the wrong key.

A perfect example a few days ago from those 'W'ankers. My dad asked me to pay in a cheque at the local - quite rare these days - branch. Al lI had to do was hand over the debit card and the cheque - no form to fill in. The 'nice' lady then asked if there was anything else. Well for fear of arrest I asked, after getting my dad's permission - which always seek to confirm after the event - a cash withdrawl. I know the pin since I use that quite regularily. But now I was faced with also having to sign a form and since my signature is not my dad's that withdrawl was stopped and the bank with-held the card.

In fact they later, when I took my dad to the bank to get his card back, told me that I could pay in a cheque to his account but they would not accept cash for the difference in the sig. WTF !!!

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by laberbacke

They could always relocate to Frankfurt if push comes to shove.

The banking and finance equivalent of Slough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0gZ6e642Yc

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by ********

This may be the oldest Euro Myth in existence. As you have been shown several times already, the fact that it was a poltical union headed towards a superstate was one of the primary arguments against staying in and addressed extensively by both sides.

Most of the lies eventually die and brexiteers move on to new ones, but this one persists.

And you still keep repeating the same old tired nonsense like a CD recording of perpetual bleating sheep, how many times have I to repeat what HMG said in 1975

Here's the last time I answered you.

Originally Posted by Wendigo

And as you have been informed previously and always conveniently forget, or to be more honest totally ignore, HMG confirmed in writing in their leaflets that this had been taken off the agenda

"There was a threat to employment in Britain from the movement in the Common Market towards an Economic & Monetary Union. This could have forced us to accept fixed exchange rates for the pound, restricting industrial growth and putting jobs at risk. This threat has been removed."

That seems pretty cut and dried to me.

Of course you will no doubt try to find some trite revisionist way of making this square peg neatly fit your round hole

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by ********

This may be the oldest Euro Myth in existence. As you have been shown several times already, the fact that it was a poltical union headed towards a superstate was one of the primary arguments against staying in and addressed extensively by both sides.

Most of the lies eventually die and brexiteers move on to new ones, but this one persists.

My colleague Wendigo has made a very fair point. No amount of you saying that the 1975 referendum lies is a myth will make it into a myth. The electorate were told by the Wilson government in 1975 that the EEC was not a threat to national sovereignty. This was official information coming from HMG. Mr Wilson told us this in the official pamphlet.

No important new policy can be decided in Brussels or anywhere else without the consent of a British Minister answerable to a British Government and British Parliament.

The top decision-making body in the Market is the Council of Ministers, which is composed of senior Ministers representing each of the nine member governments.

It is the Council of Ministers, and not the market's officials, who take the important decisions. These decisions can be taken only if all the members of the Council agree. The Minister representing Britain can veto any proposal for a new law or a new tax if he considers it to be against British interests. Ministers from the other Governments have the same right to veto.

All the nine member countries also agree that any changes or additions to the Market Treaties must be acceptable to their own Governments and Parliaments.

Remember: All the other countries in the Market today enjoy, like us, democratically elected Governments answerable to their own Parliaments and their own voters. They do not want to weaken their Parliaments any more than we would.

You see, this is not exactly the way things have gone down since 1975. Did we veto the Single European Act, the Treaty of Maastricht or the Treaty of Lisbon? No, we did not. So you see, we were told things which turned out to be not just exactly the way they really were. And that's not fairy tales.

[DB83]

For the record I was old enough to vote in the 1975 referendum. In fact I did vote to remain in the EEC.

I also, although a lot of alcohol ha passed since then, recall no inference on either side of the debate that the EEC was about to become a political union ie the EU which did not come about until over 15 years later.

Interesting to read though that France was one country that held a referendum about Maastricht and that only marginally carried (even less than our own 2016 one)

On reflection it was a sin that we, ourselves, did not hold one then.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Grouchy

I accept that I'll probably get "flamed" for injecting this into the argument / debate so I'm off to get into my firegear.

Not if I see them doing it you won't. General Discussions and News allows freedom of expression.

You must of course be prepared for some other VEF members to take a different view to your own view.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by ********

Nah, it's just that enough of them have now died that if everyone voted exactly the same way as last time it would go to remain.

How heartbroken you are for their loved ones. Naturally, there is not one iota of ignorance or bigotry in your own position here.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

How heartbroken you are for their loved ones. Naturally, there is not one iota of ignorance or bigotry in your own position here.

And how many of those elderly voters who have since died actually fought in wars to protect the rights for even crass arrogant idiots to be able to speak their minds.